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- From: brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:35:44 -0600
- Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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- In article <1993Jan26.090905.26462@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >In article <lm8oeeINNgrg@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley) writes:
- >>
- >>You've got a good point. I could say, "Well, if they WANT to, LET them
- >>assemble!" :) Of course, that would be ludicrous.
- >>
- >Yes. It might be worth exploring _why_ it's ludicrous.
- >Even if fetuses had such desires and were capable of
- >communicating them, it would be imposssible to grant
- >them such a right without removing the rights of the
- >women involved to move about as they please.
-
- Similarly, it would be impossible to grant a pregnant mother the right to
- abort without removing the "right" of the unborn child to exist and make its
- way to maturity. We are right back to choosing between two rights.
-
- If you do not believe that that unborn child is an alive American citizen,
- though, I can see how argument would hold. Is this your position?
-
- >>Perhaps what I should have said is that they should have the same
- >>protection under the law as everyone else, rather than the same liberties/
- >>rights.
- >>
- >>If you see a problem in THAT statement, let me know. I'm struggling with
- >>this issue the same as the rest of you...
- >>
- >I do see a problem. Give fetuses the same protections
- >as 'everyone else', and you automatically place pregnant
- >women in a category where they enjoy fewer rights than
- >all other born persons, and they have _less_ protection
- >under the law than 'everyone else'.
- >
- >That's unacceptable.
-
- Again, if you give pregnant women the full rights normally entitled to them,
- you would automatically place unborn children in a category where they enjoy
- no rights whatsoever, no protection under the law. That seems even more
- unacceptable.
-
- However, you did say "born", which puts your argument on different ground.
- Is it your position that unborn humans are entitled to no protection?
-
- Paul Brinkley
- brinkley@cs.utexas.edu
- Pro-Thought Advocate
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