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- From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The issue is abortion, not choice
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:40:43 GMT
- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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- References: <1993Jan26.183133.5938@netcom.com> <1993Jan27.000231.8842@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan27.000231.8842@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
- >From article <1993Jan26.183133.5938@netcom.com>,
- >by bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig):
- [...]
- >> But in abortion, we're balancing the right of a fetus to live against
- >> the right of a woman to control her own body.
- >
- >In the case of the 2-week-old, we're balancing the right of a neonate
- >to live against the right of a woman to control her own life. Do you
- >contend that it is self-evident that a woman's right to liberty and
- >the pursuit of happiness are less important than her right to control
- >her own body?
-
- A woman's right to control her body is predicated on her right to
- liberty. Ditto the pursuit of happiness. However, a woman can enjoy both
- without killing her 2-week old, because other acceptable options exist. The
- same cannot be said in the case of abortion.
-
- [...]
- >These arguments have everything to do with the right of the government
- >to make laws, but nothing to do with the morality of making the choice
- >to abort. And they depend completely on the assumption that the e/f
- >can be viewed, legally and morally, as an intruder with NO right to
- >claim support from the mother.
-
- I think most people would agree that there is more to living a life than
- staying the right side of the law. However these arguments depend only
- on the assumption that *nobody* has a right to claim support from *anybody*,
- where this involves the intimate use of one's body against one's will.
-
- >In my opinion, your position is not nearly as strong as you'd like
- >me to believe.
-
- You got something better?
-
- >> If she wants to get rid
- >> of the fetus, she should certainly be allowed to; it is unfortunate
- >> that this results in the death of the fetus.
- >
- >If she wants to get rid of the 3-year-old, she should certainly be
- >allowed to; it is unfortunate that....
-
- ...this should result in custody of the child going to the state. Yes it
- is.
-
- >Steve Matheson Program in Neuroscience University of Arizona
- >sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
-
- Frank O'Dwyer
- odwyer@sse.ie
-