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- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Subject: Re: Life begins at ...
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:57:19 GMT
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- > = nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >> = parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
- >bk> = kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) says:
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- >bk> Q1: when did life begin?
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- > On earth, several billion [outside the USA: several milliard] years ago.
- > But this is talk.abortion.
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- >bk> Q2: when does an individual life begin?
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- > No later than the point where twinning becomes impossible.
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- >bk> Q3: when does an individual's (ie. a person's) life begin?
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- > Sounds like this is covered by the other questions, so I'll skip it for now.
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- >bk> Q4: when during individual's life does the individual life become a
- >bk> "person"?
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- > If you are asking at what point I think the individual life becomes what
- > I would call a person deserving *some* legal protection, my answer is
- > at sentience.
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- >bk> It's all too common that someone will ask Q2, get an answer,
- >bk> and then carry on as if the answer was to Q4. So what is
- >bk> "THE question" really asking?
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- >> I don't think something that isn't sentient is much of a "person". I don't
- >> think a single cell can realistically be considered sentient, whether or not
- >> it "has a soul". Doesn't a "person" have a "personality"? Does anyone ever
- >> say that a single cell has a "personality"? (ignoring anthropomorphism)
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- > No. A person does not have to have a "personality" in the sense of certain
- > character traits persisting through time. All it needs is consciousness of
- > *something* however faint or fleeting.
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- > > When *you* say "person" you mean the same thing as "human".
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- > No. The Andromeda Galaxy probably contains lots of persons, but no humans.
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- Curiouser & curiouser. I agree with everthing that's been said here.
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- -Brian
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