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- From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.163225.10710@ncsu.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:32:25 GMT
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- In article <C1G10G.G6v.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >> He said that the protesters' purpose was "physical intervention"
- >> between "abortionists and innocent victims", and their purpose was
- >> not "directed specifically at women as a class".
-
- > Justice Scalia most certainly
- > did not say "that the protesters' purpose was "physical intervention"
- > between "abortionists and innocent victims"". He quoted Jayne
- > Bray et al as saying that,
-
- No, Scalia quoted a lower court's finding that the
- protesters' purpose was "physical intervention" between
- "abortionists and innocent victims" to buttress his
- opinion that the demonstrations were not "directed
- specifically at women as a class". Here's the passage
- in question:
-
- "The record in this case does not indicate that
- petitioners' demonstrations are motivated by a purpose
- (malevolent or benign) directed specifically at women as
- a class; to the contrary, the District Court found that
- petitioners define their -rescues- not with reference to
- women, but as physical intervention -`between abortion-
- ists and the innocent victims,'- and that -all [petitioners]
- share a deep commitment to the goals of stopping the
- practice of abortion and reversing its legalization.- 726
- F. Supp., at 1488.
-
- I didn't mean to suggest that Scalia had said "abortionists
- and innocent victims", and I apologize for any misunderstanding.
- But it is not at all clear that Scalia is quoting Jane Bray et al
- as Ms. Garvin contends.
-
- > couldn't resist
- > the temptation to make it appear that a Supreme Court justice
- > had used the phrase "innocent victims" to describe aborted
- > fetuses.
-
- And Ms. Garvin couldn't resist the temptation to make it appear
- that Scalia had actually used the phrase "aborted fetuses" in
- the Court's opinion. The word "fetus" doesn't even appear in
- the entire opinion, Ms. Garvin.
-
- >Susan
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
-