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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
- Message-ID: <14042@optilink.COM>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 17:01:59 GMT
- References: <1993Jan16.060120.1218@Princeton.EDU> <1726@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>
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- In article <1726@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan18.165516.5248@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- > >As an aside, if so many of the right wing weren't adamantly opposed to
- > >birth control, too, this debate would be much less important. Because
- > >there is a *direct* inverse correlation between the availability of
- > >birth control and the abortion rate.
- >
- > The only group of which I am aware that opposes contraception is
- > the Roman Catholic Church. This hardly fits my definition, or that of most
- > clear thinking people of "right wing". (For those of the reading population
- > who lack Mr. Nieporent's firm grasp of the obvious, there are many practicing
- > Catholics who are hardly right wing in their political orientation, and
- > conversely, there are lots of other religious and areligious groups - I mean
- > hard core atheists - who meet virtually all the criteria associated with
- > the "right wing" where political, economic, and even social issues are
- > concerned). Only extremists believe there is no middle ground between the
- > legal and sanctioned use of contraceptives and handing out rubbers to high
- > school students, free of charge. I know of lots of Protestants who disagree
- > with premarital sex, but I have yet to meet the Protestant who believes
- > that contraception is wrong within the bonds of matrimony. How does Nieporent's
- > "direct inverse correlation" track across various ethnic and religious groups,
- > anyway ?
- >
- > Bill R.
-
- Actually, I've met *a few* Protestants who believe that contraception
- is wrong within the bonds of matrimony. (Two children, 10 months
- apart, seemed to have caused a reappraisal of this position for one
- couple, however -- she got her tubes tied.)
-
- This Sunday, I had occasion to speak to the director of the Pregnancy
- Counselling Center, a pro-life group here in Sonoma County. I was
- curious where she stood on birth control, because what HER PARTICULAR
- pro-life group does seems perfectly moral to me -- they assist
- women who are unwilling to have an abortion through the difficult
- task of pregnancy, childbirth, and adoption. They are not a political
- advocacy group. (Yet pressure was put on Pacific Bell to remove the
- heading "Abortion Alternatives" from the Yellow Pages, so as to
- remove her group. I guess the pro-choicers are afraid that someone
- might not make the RIGHT choice about a pregnancy, if they were aware
- that there were voluntary alternatives to abortion.)
-
- I asked her about birth control, both in the context of unwed
- mothers, and a married couple. Her answers were so equivocal and
- carefully worded that I found myself suspicious that she was
- hiding some sort of opposition to birth control as well.
-
- A very unnerving experience.
-
-
-
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
- Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
-