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- From: lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil
- Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
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- References: <1993Jan15.125423.4796@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <1993Jan15.233521. <1993Jan23.010405.8289@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:52:18 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan23.010405.8289@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> acolman@nyx.cs.du.edu
- (Alison Colman) writes:
- >In article <C186G7.1Kr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () wr
- >tes:
- >>
- >>Has anyone considered the following hypothesis:
- >>
- >>Could it be possible that the availability of abortion may influence
- >>partners to be less careful with contraception? Could it not then
- >>ALSO be possible that were abortion proscribed, these same partners woul
- >
- >>begin being MORE careful than they were previously? Could this not
- >>then reduce the 1.5 million unwanted pregnancies per year that WOULD
- >>have resulted in an abortion?
- >>
- >>With respect to at least my first question, Sandra Day O'Connor seems
- >>to think so.
- >>
- >>
- >>Have a nice day,
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >>Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers
- >>
- >
- >
- >As to whether the availibility of abortion will influence the sexual
- >behavior of people in this country, it's pretty hard to predict. I know
- >for myself, if abortion was made illegal in Pennsylvania, it wouldn't be
- >much of a problem for me to go to Maryland to have an abortion. Yes, it
- >might make me wary about having sex -- then again, it might not make much
- >of a difference. I know myself I would be extremely careful about using
- >effective birth control, regardless of the availability of abortion. So,
- >sorry to disappoint you, Edward. Making abortion illegal would not make me
- >have sex less, personally.
-
-
- Alison
-
- These things actually can be determined by proper survey techniques.
- Interviews on Oprah with pregnant teenagers were very revealing. Abortion is so
- widely accepted in our society that many of the kids came up with lines such as
- '... and besides, I could always get an abortion....' to explain away their
- cavalier attitudes towards the consequences of sex. Please don't misunderstand
- me - a TV talk show doesn't prove a point - but neither do your particular
- personal reactions.
-
- I'm apparently much older than you. When I was in high school, prior to RvW,
- abortions were not readily available. Teenage sex was extremely rare by
- today's standards. To my knowledge in my school of 3,000 kids there were no
- pregnancies. In any case, they were very rare. I knew some sexually
- promiscuous guys and they ALWAYS carried a condom in their wallets and used
- them. Believe it or not, the fear of getting a girl pregnant was very real to
- these guys.
-
- Again, this anecdote doesn't prove anything by itself, but what do you suppose
- was behind the increased teenage abstinance back then?
- >
-
- >Going by what you said, can I reasonably assume that you are greatly in
- >favor of all forms of contraceptives being easily obtainable, and
- >inexpensive? As it stands now, some of the most effective forms of birth
- >control, such as Norplant, are not available to me. I am not poor enough
- >to get Norplant through any public assistance program, but at the same
- >time, I am not really able to drop $800-$900 dollars for an exam and a
- >Norplant implantation. And due to the nature of my employment, I don't
- >have health insurance right now. I would really like some of this to
- >change. I would like Norplant, the Pill, and Depo-Provera to be cheaper,
- >and I would like to be able to get health insurance at a reasonable cost.
- >Is this something you would like too, Edward?
-
- Many types of contraceptives kill the recently conceived human. To many
- pro-lifers this is no different than an abortion. Please take this into
- account before jumping to the conclusion that all pro-lifers are against all
- birth control.
-
-
- >
- >In the meanwhile, though, what would you say to someone like me? Would you
- >have the gall to tell me that I shouldn't be having any sex because I
- >can't afford the best birth control out there? And I would rather not hear
- >you say to me, "there are lots of other things to do besides intercourse",
- >as if I wasn't aware of that fact. If I want to have intercourse, it is
- >not within anyone's right to tell me I shouldn't. Not to mention that I
- >think that would be a really snotty motive for making abortion illegal --
- >to try to curb the sexual habits of others.
-
-
- I can't speak for Edward but I would say to you (as I would my daughter),
- "Please please don't have sex until you are financially and mentally able to
- bear a child. If you must have sex, find ways that don't involve intromission.
- Insist that your partner use a condom and you a spermicide and barrier
- contraceptive. Ask your mother or school nurse or read a book on how to use
- them. Know that I will not allow you to have an abortion unless your life is
- threatened. " Aside from the anti-abortion statement, is what I've said so
- unreasonable?
-
-
- >Alison (no .sig yet! :-))
- >
-
- - Paul
-
-
-