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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.152756.9283@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:27:56 GMT
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- cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) asks why analogies to the H********
- are not useful:
-
- > Anything emotionally painful or visually repulsive (pictures) are impossible
- > to use when discussing the issue. It hurts to much to see that these
- > "things" look so much like a little child. It makes us feel better to keep
- > those emotionally troubling issues out of the discussion. We're happy, and
- > the child, is dead. It is emotionally troubling. Just asked the group
- > Women Exploited by Abortion.
-
- Of course, when we discuss legislation or public policy that abridges or
- curtails a woman's right to control her body, we should get ourselves as
- emotionally riled up as possible. Forget the 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments,
- forget Griswold vs. Connecticut, forget Roe vs. Wade, forget the hundreds
- of hours that medical, legal, pastoral professionals and others have expended
- in research, meditation and writing on this issue.
-
- Let's just repeat after Peter Finch in "Network": "I'm mad as hell, and I'm
- not going to take it anymore!!!"
-
- Since we're talkin' emotionally painful or visually repulsive pictures, let's
- turn to page 310 in the new edition of "Our Bodies, Our Selves" and see what
- the aftermath of a fatal illegal abortion looks like.
-
- Or, we could build a case that the availability of safe, legal abortion has
- certain affects on society and public health, positive and negative, and
- whether these affects, if negative, are compelling reasons to place
- restrictions on abortion.
-
- > So, please explain why it is such a stupid and senseless argument, without
- > just saying it is so. It's convenient to not have to, but we don't get
- > anywhere. It is an emotional issue, for everyone.
-
- Since I don't remember you participating when I last wrote this, I'll be
- happy to explain. The Holocaust was the result of a totalitarian government
- policy. It was systematic and deliberately cruel. The total number of
- abortions in the U.S. is the result of an _aggregate_ of decisions of
- individual women. It is in no way systematic or deliberately cruel. The
- only attribute that the Holocaust and abortion share is that the numbers
- are real big.
-
- Imo, the Holocaust is not an analogy to anything. It simply is what it is,
- an expression of hatred and bigotry. It is a monument to what happens when
- an entire society surrenders to the Big Lie that all problems are caused by
- that different sort of person over there.
-
- --
- Chris Lyman / email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / Disclaimer: I said WHAT?
- "If you wants to get elected president, you'se got to think up some
- memoraboble homily so's school kids can be pestered into memorizin'
- it, even if they don't know what it means." -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"
-