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- From: parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker)
- Subject: Re: PAS or Post Abortion Syndrome
- References: <1is6vsINNgue@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Jan11.220529.33020@watson.ibm.com> <nyikos.727390591@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1993Jan19.071004.26268@watson.ibm.com> <nyikos.727466573@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:35:36 GMT
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- nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >In <1993Jan19.071004.26268@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
-
- >>In <nyikos.727390591@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>In <1993Jan11.220529.33020@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>In <1is6vsINNgue@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Thomas) writes:
- >>>>>
- >>>>>Does anyone believe there is such a disease characterized by depression,
- >>>>>nightmares, etc., which could last for a liftime? This theory is being
- >>>>>touted on another board by Anti-choice folk.
- >>>
- >>>There is such a "disease", though not every woman who has had an abortion
- >>>is struck by it, and there are various degrees of seriousness. One of the
- >>>worst cases was Nancyjo Mann, as recounted in her foreword to _Aborted
- >>>Women, Silent No More_. I've read most of the trilogy, _The Gulag
- >>>Archipelago_, and I would venture to say that not more than a few percent
- >>>of "zeks" suffered as much as she did.
- >>>
- >>>>No. All the evidence indicates that "post-abortion" syndrome is a myth.
-
- >Note the shift in topic. From disease to syndrome, yet preceded by
- >the sentence "No". Typical of the mindgames Larry loves to play.
-
- Shift? Chris Thomas mentioned a "disease" on a thread talking about the
- so-called "post abortion syndrome". I suppose you think he was talking
- about something totally unrelated to "PAS", but most of us understood that
- the "disease" he was talking about was the same thing as the so-called "PAS".
- How did you attribute this to "mind games" on the part of Larry Margolis?
-
- >>>So, Larry, what's *your* definition of post-abortion syndrome?
-
- >>syndrome (n)
- >>DEFINITIONS:
- >> a group of signs and symptoms that occur
- >> together and characterize a particular
- >> abnormality
- >>syndromic (aj)
- >>(c) G. & C. Merriam
-
- >>While some women experience post-abortion *trauma*, all the evidence indicates
- >>that there is no such thing as post-abortion *syndrome*;
-
- >Playing the game your way, there may be several different post-abortion
- >syndromes.
-
- >> that there is no
- >>link between abortion and mental health; that the trauma is usually the
- >>continuation of pre-existing symptoms.
-
- >The above statements are demonstrably false where Nancyjo Mann and many,
- >many other women are concerned.
-
- >>To quote from the JAMA:
- >> Scientific studies indicate that legal abortion results in fewer
- >> deleterious sequelae for women compared with other possible outcomes
- >> of unwanted pregnancy.
-
- >How many scientific studies? A majority? A small minority?
-
- Well, given that it is a quote from a prestigious journal like the JAMA, one
- would easily conclude that it is the composite of *all* decent studies in
- the area. The translation of the quote for the scientifically challenged is:
- Considering all properly-conducted studies into the question of "abortion
- trauma syndrome" [or whatever you want to call it], there is a lesser
- incidence of negative symptoms in women who had an abortion than in women
- who gave birth under similar circumstances. In other words, ATS (or PAS) is
- a myth.
-
- This does NOT mean that no negative effects occur in any women who have an
- abortion. It means that the incidence of negative symptoms is generally
- less in women who chose an abortion than in women of similar state-of-mind
- who chose to give birth. Further details would have to come from individual
- studies.
-
-
- >> There is no evidence of an abortion trauma
- >> syndrome.
-
- >So was NancyJo Mann, founder of WEBA and living counterexample to the
- >benighted statement made in JAMA.
-
- In mathematics, an individual counterexample can disprove a "theorem".
- In social sciences (and medicine), an individual "counterexample" is merely
- part of the evidence. Do try to remember what discipline is being disussed.
-
- >Peter Nyikos
-
- -Rob
-