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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: O.R. protest against homosexuals on CSPAN
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.190356.8535@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:03:56 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.173100.21195@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan22.171126.11425@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >>From article <C0xMKq.AsE.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin):
- >[Susan comments that Randall Terry and the Pope teach their followers
- >various distasteful things, and lastly that they teach them to hate.]
- >
- >>> (Thanks to Suzanne for illustrating
- >>> this last similarity so well.)
- >>Please explain to me how avoiding contraception or abortion is "hateful"?
- >I doubt that that is what Ms. Garvin believs is hateful about you.
- >Just as first-pass guesses, I would suggest that what makes her
- >think you are hateful would be saying things like
- >(approximately)
- >Women who have sex before being married are lower than prostitutes
- >because at least prostitutes get paid.
- >Gay men hate women.
- >
- >>problem. As you well know, I have posted many times where and how
- >>other people can learn to live successful, self-determined, lives
- >>without messing their bodies up with contraceptives or slaughtering
- >>their children with abortion.
- >Yes, and whenever anyone asks you for any real details you evade
- >the question. I will repeat the appropriate question about NFP
- >yet again. You have repeatedly claimed that NFP has a success rate
- >approaching that of oral contraceptives, and posted some statistics
- >which, although not peer reviewed, support this to some extent. What
- >you have not, and seem to refuse to do, is posted the percentage
- >of time which one must abstain from intercourse to obtain such
- >effectiveness. Will you please do so?
-
- Her claim about the failure rate of NFP is false.
-
- Method Failure rate %
- --------------------------------------
- Chance 85
- Spermicides (alone) 21
- Periodic Abstinence 20
- Withdrawal 18
- Cap with spermicide 18
- Sponge
- Parous Women 28
- Nulliparous Women 18
- Diaphragm with spermicde 18
- Condom w/out spermicide 12
- IUD
- Progestasert 2
- Copper T 380A 0.8
- Pill
- Combination 0.1
- Progestogen only 0.5
- Injectable Progestogen
- DMPA 0.3
- NET 0.4
- Implants
- NORPLANT (6 caps) 0.04
- NORPLANT (2 rods) 0.03
- Female Sterilization 0.4
- Male Sterlization 0.15
-
- [Trussell J, et all: _Contraceptive failure in the United States: An
- update_ Studies in Family Planning Jan/Feb 1990]
-
- As we can see, NFP has an abysmally high failure rate, and certainly
- not anywhere near the rate of the pill, or NORPLANT.
-
- The absinence period for NFP is taught as anywhere from 6-10 days per
- month, but varies widely. Couples using a 10 day abstinence period and
- following the NFP guidlines *perfectly* have reported a filure rate of
- 14.4% instead of the average of 20%. [Same source as the table]
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
- Member, T.S.A.K.C.
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