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- From: jbates@encore.com (John W. Bates)
- Subject: Re: Planned Non-Parenthood? (to Rescorla)
- Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:36:22 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:53:58 GMT
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- On Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:53:58 GMT, mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) said:
- In article <1993Jan22.055358.12827@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan21.232455.12271@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >>In article <nyikos.727652969@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>In <1993Jan21.000136.29987@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
-
- >>I don't know what you are implying, Mr. Nyikos.
- >>I can think of many reasons why this would be so that do not include
- >>improper practices or pressure on the part of PPFA.
- >>
- > The obviuous conclusion is that people are going to PP because they
- > have decided they want an abortion. Sadly, PHoney prefers conspiracy
- > theories to the obvious answer.
-
- >>>> As far as
- >>>>I know, abortions are not particularly lucrative. Ob/Gyn's get
- >>>>much more money for a birth than for an abortion.
- >>>Figures, please.
- >>I don't have them, though I've seen them posted on talk.abortion
- >>before, but can't substantiate the claim right now. Retracted.
- >>
- > A normal delivery runs $2000-3000. A planned cesarean runs about
- > $5000. An unplanned section is just about double that. Halting
- > premature labor runs form a few thousand on up, depending on the case.
- > Premature birth costs up to about $5000 a day for NICU care. Length of
- > stay, obviously, is widely variable, and never cheap.
-
- You need to look at it from the angle of a conspiracy theorist, Mark.
-
- If you are an Ob/Gyn, you can make, say, $3000 off of a pregnant woman.
- But it takes nine months. How many abortions could the evil abortionist
- perform on that same woman in nine months? Figure, oh, four, maybe five,
- if one was detected early enough. That's almost $4000. And if he (always
- a he) could manage to mutilate the woman, well, that's some extra business
- for his cousin.
-
- That's why abortionists actually want everybody to have sex, all the time.
- That's why PP encourages the use of birth control. They want people to
- think that sex is OK, so people will have more abortions. Of course, we
- all know that the birth control they promote doesn't really work, right?
- The only real way to avoid pregnancy is to practice NFP, right? But
- they don't want *us* to know about that, so they publish false results.
-
- Then there are the *really* evil abortionists, who are actually Satanists
- employed by the CIA, and who don't care about the money. They encourage
- people to get pregnant, and then tell them that their baby is deformed,
- or their health is at risk, just so that the abortionist can have the
- pleasure of crushing the baby's skull! Pop, *squish*! They also keep
- a supply of rusty nails on hand, in case the woman objects.
-
- It's amazing how often discussions with Nyikos seem to degenerate into
- this kind of ludicrous reasoning.
-
- >>>And be careful not to count 9 months of prenatal care in the costs.
- >>Why not? Doctors get paid to do it.
- >>
- > PHoney is overlooking the simple fact that most OB's have a single
- > price which includes prenatal care and delivery.
-
- You just have to understand how the conspiracy theorist thinks. Sit
- in your bedroom alone for a while. Think to yourself, "They're all out
- to get me. Everybody is out to get me." Do this over and over, several
- times a day. Start turning around suddenly, to see who's watching you.
- You'd be amazed at how quickly you can begin to understand Nyikos' ideas.
-
- John
-