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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:05:11 GMT
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- hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
- > trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:
-
- >> Why not "You are now pregnant with a son..."? How about
- >> Psalm 22:11:
-
- > stuff deleted.
-
- >> You shall conceive and bear a son...
-
- >> Again, why not "You shall conceive a son and give birth..."?
- >> Perhaps the reason is that the actual person whom the fetus
- >> becomes does not become so until the birth has occurred. As
- >> you've noticed, when talking of the soon-to-arrive child, God
- >> (or his messenger[s]) and others did so in future tense, not
- >> present ("You will conceive and bear a son" rather than
- >> "you will conceive a son and bear him" or "he will be righteous"
- >> rather than "he is righteous" {if God knows him, then God
- >> knows him to be righteous}). Why? Because, it would seem,
- >> the fetus is not a person until the actual chilbirth.
-
- > What about Luke 1:36, "And behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also
- > conceived a son..." not "she hath also concieved that which will be a son."
- > but, "she hath also conceived a son. Why is John called a son even before
- > he is born? Because unborn children are persons. That is why he is c
- > called a babe before he is even born. That is why he could be filled with
- > the Holy Spirit before his birth.
-
- All you've shown is that the Bible is inconsistent. Considering that most
- of these histories were written down anywhere from 25 to 900 years after
- the events portrayed, how can we claim to know God's intentions wrt abortion?
-
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