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- From: markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)
- Subject: Re: When is a fetus not a person?
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- References: <1993Jan17.085933.8172@Princeton.EDU> <1993Jan18.230432.20379@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1993Jan19.004526.25747@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:48:50 GMT
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- In <1993Jan19.004526.25747@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
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- >In article <1993Jan18.230432.20379@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
- >sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
-
- >>From article <1993Jan17.085933.8172@Princeton.EDU>,
- >>by datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper):
- >>> I finally found the article I was looking for: _The_New_Republic_,
- >>> Dec. 7, 1992 issue. There's a story about the use of RU-486 as a
- >>> "morning-after" pill. It seems that the egg, up until 14 days or so
- >>> after conception, has nothing that can confer even numerical
- >>> identity on it. I'm butchering the article badly, of course, but
- >>> do read the article.
- >>Your humble confession of butchering is insufficient punishment
- >>for the atrocity. The sentence "It seems that the egg ... can
- >>confer even numerical identity on it" is such mind-boggling
- >>gibberish that I must request a reasonable clarification.
-
- ><blushes, mumbles something about exams> Caught me, Steve. Mark Cochran
- >let me know that you were a pro-lifer with genuine arguments. It seems
- >the least I can do is reciprocate.
-
- >Okay, the gist of the article: Let's say there is an egg that splits
- >into two, forming what will become two identical twins. The question
- >is, what happened to the original egg?
-
- >a) The egg is dead. If this were true, the mother should not only
- >be rejoicing that she has two healthy children, but mourning the
- >loss of the original egg. Nonsense.
-
- >b) One of the twins is the "real" original egg; the other twin is
- >only a copy. Yet both twins have an equal claim to be that original
- >egg. How can one differentiate which one is the original egg? Scrap
- >this one.
-
- >c) The egg is split up among the two new twins. While true as far as
- >this goes, this means that at the two-cell stage, half of each twin
- >is the original egg, and the other half is material gathered from
- >"outside" the original. Which leads to saying that neither is the
- >"real" egg.
-
- >The article goes on to note that there is nothing in the genome that
- >codes for identical twinning -- instead, it is caused by environmental
- >factors, e.g. a temporary cutoff of oxygen. Since twinning can occur
- >up until about 14 days after conception, until that point there is
- >no reason to believe that the egg even has "numerical identity".
-
- Which doesn't disprove the argument that the zygote is a person; it
- suggests to me that the zygote is one OR MORE persons. :-)
-
- >Tep
- >--
- >Mo-bio majors do it between the beta-sheets.
-
- Mark Pundurs
-