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- From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner)
- Subject: Re: involuntary servitude and abortion
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.161016.8201@csrd.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:10:16 GMT
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- Just as a reminder: The analogy is between keeping a slave (or
- involuntary servant) and aborting a fetus, not between keeping a slave
- and keeping a fetus.
-
- tanj@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Ren and Stimpy's Love Child) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan15.180414.25690@csrd.uiuc.edu> g-skinner@uiuc.edu writes:
- >>Okay, it's a "great big difference". A fetus has not been born. An
- >>involuntary servant has. A fetus is inside another person. An
- >>involuntary servant is not. We know this. How does this "great big
- >>difference" disallow the above conclusion?
-
- (I'll refresh that conclusion: If the argument, "If you don't like
- abortion, don't have one" is a sound argument for keeping abortion
- legal, then "If you don't like involuntary servitude, don't keep an
- involuntary servant" is a sound argument for legalized involuntary
- servitude.)
-
- >Couple of reasons:
- > 1. Living inside another person (as a fetus does) causes an
- > intimate risk with injury and death that would not be there
- > if the fetus wasn't.
-
- Likewise, not keeping a slave subjects one to a risk of injury and
- death.
-
- > 2. Using another person's bodily resources in all other cases is
- > *always* VOLUNTARY.
-
- Please explain how this statement precludes reaching the above
- conclusion. I can see that an implication is added to the first
- argument:
-
- If you don't like abortion, don't have one. If you're pregnant,
- this means you voluntarily choose to use your bodily resources to
- support the fetus.
-
- However, we can infer something analogous for slavery:
-
- If you don't like slavery, don't keep a slave. If you have work
- that must be done, this means you voluntarily choose to use your
- bodily resources to complete it.
-
- >And again, I ask you (maybe you'll answer this time): if abortion were
- >made illegal, and a woman aborted herself, would you charge her with
- >Murder 1?
-
- I don't recall being asked previously. Does this question relate to
- an analogy between slavery and abortion? I'll provide my answer,
- expecting the relevance will soon be made clear. Given that abortion
- is illegal, this person would be properly charged with violating
- whatever law prohibits abortion.
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- Gregg Skinner
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