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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:01:33 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.130133.15616@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <1993Jan15.125423.4796@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <1993Jan21.014921.9070@ncsu.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan21.014921.9070@ncsu.edu>, dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan20.210343.23208@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- > decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- > >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > >>garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- > >>>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >
- > >>>> it is questionable whether Ms. Garvin's estimates could be
- > >>>> applied to today's situation.
- >
- > >>> Of course, I never claimed that they could.
- >
- > >> Then we agree that your estimates are worthless.
- > >> Why are you still arguing the point?
- >
- > > Susan never said any such thing.
- >
- > Tsk, tsk, you should really follow threads more carefully before
- > you open your mouth. In a reply to Edward Simmonds, Ms. Garvin
- > did indeed suggest that her estimates of the number of illegal
- > abortions during the 19th century could be applied to today's
- > situation:
- >
- > > The incidence of illegal abortion in 1860 has NOTHING to do with the ruling
- > > in Roe v Wade in 1973. Comparing medical practices across this vast time
- > > is like comparing a slide rule with a supercomputer.
- >
- > Actually, it has something to do with it.
- >
- > <C0wM37.KE2.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- > garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- >
- >
- > And now we see Ms. Garvin furiously back-pedaling from that suggestion.
-
- Oh yes, that is correct. That's what Susan said. She is right
- in that the laws against abortion put in place in he 19th century
- were partly motivated by the dangerous nature of the procedure, and
- that the Roe v Wade decision may in part have been motivated by
- the fact that illegal abortions were far more dangerous in 1973 than
- legal abortions. But that's not what you said. Today is January 22,
- 1973. Exactly 20 years after the announcement of the Roe v Wade
- decision. So what you are talking about is not what Susan was
- talking about. By the way, they are not "her estimates," but
- estimates from sources contemporary to the illegal abortions
- discussed.
-
- > > Only a stupid person would conclude that therefore they are
- > > worthless.
- >
- > Her estimates are worthless to the extent that they cannot be
- > used today in any meaningful fashion. They do help soothe
- > yours and Ms. Garvin's precious little egos though....
-
- The estimates she quoted addressed the issue under discussion
- specifically and conclusively. The estimates give insight
- into some of the motivation of the Roe v Wade decision. The
- estimates are not worthless, unless you try to make them do
- something they were not intended for. I have no idea what you
- are trying to do with them. I don't think you have any idea
- either, beyond trying to say "so and so is wrong" just to say
- it.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-
- "Yeah, bringing that Amazon enclave of women to America would just
- spoil everything. I'd prefer to have them stay in the Amazon,
- so that I could go live them there." - Reverend Doug Holtsinger
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