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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Carol Everett
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.080805.3281@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:08:05 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.193424.27432@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.180708.16207@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gbernath@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Gregory Bernath) writes:
- >>Carol Everett is coming to speak on our campus on Nov. 26. I would
- >>be interested in any information about her.
- >>A little about her (claimed) background:
- >> - worked in and ownded two abortion clinics from 1977 to 1983
- >Ok.
- >
- >> - one of her clinics busted for performing abortions on non-pregant
- >> women, and for abortions performed by non-doctors.
- >I see. I know you're not making an argument against abortion but
- >I see this sort of argument made commonly. The fact that there
- >are abortion clinics where fraud occurs is not particularly surprising
- >since fraud occurs in most businesses. I fail to see how this
- >can be used as an argument that abortion should be illegal.
- >I have never, however, seen the court records that substantiate
- >that anyone has ever been prosecuted for performing abortions on
- >non-pregnant women.
- >As for abortions performed by non-doctors--I was not aware that
- >that was illegal. I know I've had a lot of medical care
- >(though not abortions, obviously) done for me by nurses.
- >
- Abortion is a surgical procedure performed only by licensed phsycians
- (legally). It is certainly beyond the scope of practice for nurses,
- and is beyond the scope of practice for Physicians Assistants and
- Nurse Pracitioners in every state for which I have seen the practice
- acts.
-
- >> - 20 women (out of 35,000 abortions) "maimed or killed"
- >That would be surprising, since the overall rate is something
- >like 1/100 major complications and 1-2/100000 deaths.
- >Were her doctors particularly incompetent or is she just being
- >VERY loose with the term "maimed or killed"
- >
- Here we go again... I haven't posted the entire table here since some
- twit claimed a 27% infection rate for abortins, so I guess it's time
- to do it again....
-
- Complication D&C Suction
- ---------------------------------------
- Hemorrhage 1.0 0.5
- Infection 0.9 0.8
- Perforation 1.9 1.3
- Anesthesia 0.1 0.1
- Retained Products 0.5 0.5
- Lacerated Cervix 0.3 0.2
- All other complications 0.4 0.3
- ----------------------------------------
- Total morbidity [1] 5.1 3.7
- Total Mortality [2] 2.8 1.2
-
- [1] Complications per 1000 abortions.
- [2] Deaths per 100,000 abortions.
-
- [Martin, LL: _Health Care of Women_ Philadelphia, JB Lippincott, 1978]
- Obviously oldder data, but the saftey rates have only gone up, so
- these numbers reflect higher numbers of complkications then newer
- figures would show.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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