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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
- Message-ID: <13931@optilink.COM>
- Date: 18 Jan 93 20:00:27 GMT
- References: <Jan.13.14.35.36.1993.7498@romulus.rutgers.edu> <Jan.14.05.09.02.1993.11547@romulus.rutgers.edu>
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- In article <Jan.14.05.09.02.1993.11547@romulus.rutgers.edu>, kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan14.004714.17246@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
- # # I would like to state that women will *always* somehow find a way to
- # # get an abortion, whether it is legal or not, the difference is that
- # # those who have no money will do anything to get one, even if it means
- # # using a coat hanger, while those with money will find a doctor who will
- # # perform the abortion at a high cost.
- #
- # Another, much more glaring, difference (which you seem to have
- # overlooked) would be that women will think twice about the possibility
- # of getting pregnant, and illegitimacy rates would probably drop
- # dramatically. (And your real complaint is possibly grounded in the
- # fact that you would find it much more difficult to get laid.)
-
- This assumes that rational thought is involved with those pregnancies.
- I doubt it. You are assuming that abortion was legalized, and this
- caused the decline in public morals. I think it's quite the opposite --
- the decline in public morals dramatically increased pressure for
- easy access to abortions. Prohibiting it won't improve morality in
- this country -- but improving public morality by persuasion will
- dramatically reduce the demand for abortion.
-
- Persuasion, not laws, is the key.
-
- # # What I find so two-faced is how people like Bush and Quayle said
- # # they'd support their daughter's decision *if* their daughter became
- # # pregnant and decided to abort, yet these same two political people are
- # # against abortion.
- #
- # Straw man. That was a loaded question that was posed to Quayle. You
- # (and those who asked such a question) are more interested in
- # discrediting those who stand up for morality than you are in the
- # answer to that question,
-
- I think the real answer is that Bush, Quayle, and many others, share
- Mr. Kaldis' belief that making abortion illegal will cause a lot of
- people in this country to start being careful about birth control
- and self-control. It isn't that they want coat hanger abortions to
- come back, it's that they honestly think that people are rational
- enough to stop getting pregnant if they don't want to have a child.
- I'm unpersuaded that this is the case.
-
- # my own only. Do you seriously || kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
- Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
-