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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: 20 YEARS AFTER ROE, SUPREME COURT CHIPS AWAY AT ABORTION RIGHT
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 19:21:02 GMT
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- In <73664@cup.portal.com> L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
-
- > Copied without permission from:
- > The Los Angeles Times, January 15, 1993
-
- > 20 YEARS AFTER ROE, SUPREME COURT CHIPS AWAY AT ABORTION RIGHT
-
- chipping away : pro-choice :: slippery slope : pro-life
-
- > By Carol Sobel
-
- > Last term, a majority of the Supreme Court reiterated the
- >fundamental nature of a woman's right to choose abortion. This week, the
- >court placed a hurdle in the path, saying pregnant women could exercise
- >this right only if they had the physical and emotional stamina to get past
- >the mobs they would face at the clinic door.
-
- This isn't quite as much of a falsehood as the headline I saw in the
- _Atlanta Constitution_, which went about like this: `Supreme Court
- Okays Clinic Blockades'. But it's close.
-
- The only thing the Supreme Court ruled on was the inapplicability
- to OR of a FEDERAL law made in 1871 in reaction to the activities of the
- Ku Klux Klan. State laws, even state laws of similar wording,
- remain untouched.
-
- [...]
-
- >discrimination on the basis of gender. In truth, Scalia's opinion is a
- >transparent attempt to cloak his own vehement opposition to abortion rights
- >behind the veil of a legal nicety. The court's deliberate focus on the
- >definitional contrivance of the anti-abortion demonstrators reveals the
- >true agenda of the majority's opinion.
-
- I hope this was a column, or editorial. You never can tell about these
- things nowadays.
-
- > Operation Rescue defines its aim as saving the "innocent victims of
- >abortion from the abortionists." Scalia explicitly adopted this language as
- >the court's.
-
- I'd like to see the context. Could it be simply the official Supreme
- Court description of The Stated Aim of Operation Rescue?
-
- If Ms. Sobel is anything like Susan Garvin, the foregoing is a reasonable
- question.
-
- > But the true victims are the women who are pushed and shoved
- >as they are denied a fundamental right.
-
- An amazing display of even-handedness, eh?
-
- I have seen a woman with an apron labeled "pro-choice escort" on NBC
- TV pushing and shoving someone. I have not seen TV footage of women
- going for abortions being pushed and shoved. The closest was the case
- of pro-choice clinic defenders locking arms just as a pro-life woman
- was rushing for the door of the clinic, and having their arms pushed
- as they restrained her.
-
- Could Ms. Sobel be talking about the fundamental right of abortion
- clinic defenders to remain untouched by OR members, unless they initiate
- the pushing and shoving? Or even after they initiate the pushing and
- shoving?
-
- > The transparency of the majority's anti-abortion agenda did not
- >escape the dissenting justices. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor recognized that
- >if Operation Rescue members wanted simply to oppose abortion, there are
- >myriad lawful avenues available.
-
- None of which have had any success in the 20 years since Roe v. Wade
- was adopted.
-
- I am not implying that what OR is doing is justified morally. I do not
- yet know whether it is more similar to the Civil Rights Sit-ins of the
- sixties, or the activities of the Weathermen of the late sixties and
- early seventies, although the available evidence seems to point more
- towards the former.
-
- I know it is illegal, but I do not think the 1871 law is appropriate
- either.
-
- >logic. Under that reasoning, if Clarence Thomas held a different view on
- >racial discrimination from Jesse Jackson, there could be no issue of
- >inequality on the basis of race because African-Americans would be on both
- >sides.
-
- The foregoing 4 lines contain a major logical fallacy. And that is
- independent of anything the part I deleted contained.
-
- >providers. O'Connor correctly recognized that the court should be looking
- >at women, not fetuses, as the victims.
-
- A statement even Larry "pointed out that" Margolis could learn from.
-
- > Throughout modern civil-rights history, the federal courts have
- >played a critical role in protecting the rights of individuals against mob
- >assaults
-
- How does sitting passively in front of a door, blocking it physically,
- constitute mob assault?
-
- > when state officials would not or could not respond. Anyone who
- >saw the TV reports of Operation Rescue blockades during the 1988 Democratic
- >Convention in Atlanta or the terror Operation Rescue brought to Los Angeles
- >knows full well that these are mob attacks.
-
- I must admit I missed these. I have heard that these--to pull a Chris
- Lyman-- _alleged_ mob attacks were met with police brutality every bit
- as violent as the Rodney King beating, by the selfsame LAPD, and that
- there is video footage to prove it.
-
- I have seen a TV broadcast, by NBC affiliate Channel 10, Columbia,
- SC, of clinic blockaders in Greenville, SC lying flat
- on the ground, hands cuffed behind their backs, face down, lifted onto
- stretchers with the police lifting them by the handcuffs AND NOTHING
- ELSE.
-
- I do not recommend this way of lifting up anybody.
-
- >(Sobel is a lawyer with the ACLU of Southern California and counsel in a
- >pending federal case against Operation Rescue.)
-
- Love those unbiased sources!
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
-