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- From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,misc.legal,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal: Illegitimate-conception Tax
- Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:40:58 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-
- >In article <1jl8beINNf5m@mirror.digex.com> adric@access.digex.com (William Johnson) writes:
- >How do you think paternity is determined NOW?
-
- Usually it *isn't*. Usually paternity is not contested, so that there
- is no need for "determination. Your proposal would require paternity to
- be determined for every conception. That would cost alot.
-
- >William, you are part of the so-called "irresponsible" segment of the
- >population who conceive a child out of wedlock, and decide to carry it to term.
- >This is not a personal condemnation, just an observation. Your segment of the
- >population is a problem. You create children which are FAR more likely to need
- >welfare, FAR more likely to live in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, FAR more
- >likely to get involved with drugs and crime, FAR less likely to complete their
- >education, FAR more likely to be unemployed, (at least, this is my
- >understanding, solid statistics to the contrary welcomed). None of these
- >things may apply to your family specifically, but they do apply to your segment.
-
- Kevin, haven't you ever heard the truism: the first one can come at
- any time, the rest usually take 9 months. It soesn't sound to me like
- Will is part of the problem. It sounds to me like he and his fiance are
- taking responsibility for their actions. Who cares whether the child was
- conceived 6 mos before the wedding, or 6 mos after. The important thing
- is that it has 2 parents who are committed to taking good care of it.
-
- >By my calculations, those "few" would number maybe as much as 32 million
- >taxpayers, if the proposal was implemented nationally. Given annual AFDC
- >payouts of approximately 20 $billion, this would NOT appear to be an
- >"unshoulderable" burden, even when the administrative overhead is added in.
-
- I *don't* buy your numbers.
-
- In 1989 (the last year for which I've seen numbers) the number of abortions
- was 1.6M. The number of births was slightly less than that. Lets be
- generous and say 4M identifiable conceptions (I'm including miscarriages,
- IMO grossly unfair to further punish people who've suffered such misfortune!)
-
- If we accept your ADFC number of $2000M, the average tax bill would
- be $20000M/4M=$5000/person. I consider that to be a non-negligible
- amount of money.
-
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- -- Michal
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