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- From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
- Subject: Re: ProLife, ProMurder, ProCrime And Iraq
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.184129.9089@cs.yale.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:41:29 GMT
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- In article <casivils.727637526@node_508ba> casivils@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (craig sivils) writes:
- >In <1993Jan21.023127.26352@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
- >>Loaded question. Let me rephrase that:
- >
- >>Why are so many people who claim to be "pro-life" against the right of
- >>an individual to study evolution in school?
- >
- >>I'll answer yours if you'll answer mine...
- [Stuff of little relevance deleted]
-
- >There are two possible answers to your loaded question, I will give both.
- >1. Because some people choose to view this theory as being in conflict with
- > the biblical account of creation in Genesis. The conflict is based mainly
- > on the interpretation of the word day. If you ignore that, there are
- > some striking similarities.
- I.e. if you ignore all the details of Genesis, it doesn't conflict with
- evolution.
-
- >2. Because the THEORY is not always taught as such and the scientific evidence
- > (there are several different flavors of the theory of evolution, and some
- > scientists who don't buy it at all) which goes counter to the THEORY often
- > is ignored (ie: not taught).
- As usual, you are confusing the THEORY of evolution with the FACT of
- evolution. The THEORY of evolution is intended to explain the FACT of
- evolution. There are different flavors of evolutionary theory, but
- the differences are hardly relevant to an introductory course.
- (I hardly think I need to discuss string theory versus supersymmetry
- in the two days in high school physics where QM is introduced.)
- As for the supposed evidence against evolution, the reason it isn't
- taught is because there is none. I challenge you to come up with a
- single article from a peer reviewed journal which is incompatible
- with evolution.
-
- >Ok, I bit the bullet. Your turn, and please when answering, remember the
- >slogan that I often see on my TV, Abortion: safe, leagal and funded.
- >Someone stated that the position was logically consistant, it is not, even if
- >you don't favor the funded half of the above statement.
- Huh? Where is the inconsistency?
-
- > There is a case in
- >court now where a football coach was fired for placing his son in a private
- >school rather than a public school. When asked for the reason, the Coach
- >replied that he wanted his son to be taught from a christian perspective on
- >values. His supervisor told him that was what his evenings were for.
- This sounds like a blatant violation of his civil liberties. Can you
- give a citation to the event+case.
-
- > How many people would be in favor of a christanity clinic at every school where a
- >counselor would discuss with each student if christanity was right for that
- >student and would provide detailed information on where to go if the student
- >wanted to become a christian.
- Actually, MY school had a world cultures program where they invited
- representatives of various religions in to speak. I would not really
- object to this(though I did then, because they had so obviously
- tailored it to Xianity) if it were genuinely open to ALL religions.
- (e.g.. Church of Satan can come speak.)
-
- > (Answer: its illegal in some states for a
- >teacher to have a closed bible on their desk). I understand why we don't have
- >such clinics and agree that they are not needed. But there is a difference in
- >the way we treat the seperation of the State and one Value, and the way that
- >we tread the seperation of the State and the other value.
- So? The First Amendment doesn't say anything about "values". It talks
- about "religion." How is that inconsistent.
-
- -Ekr
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- Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S) rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
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