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- From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
- Subject: Re: pro-choice and school vouchers
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- References: <C13AM6.4no@sugar.neosoft.com> <1993Jan20.085205.20986@wetware.com> <casivils.727566210@node_508ba> <1993Jan21.074558.12818@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:06:47 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.074558.12818@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
- becka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rebecca Lynn Sparling) writes:
-
- |>In article <casivils.727566210@node_508ba> casivils@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov
- |>(craig sivils) writes:
- |>>Tit for Tat,
- |>>
- |>>Why are so many people who claim to be "pro-choice" against the right of
- |>>an individual to use public money for their children to attend the school
- |>>private or public of their choice.
- |>>
- |>> Craig
- |>
- |>'Fraid I can't give you statistics on this (just deal with it, DODIE)
- |>but I'm pretty sure that California spends more per student to get
- |>shot at and ignored in public school than my parents paid for a *wonderful*
- |>private education... (my high school must have been doing something
- |>right that the huge bureaucracy they call the "State Government"
- |>wasn't) I don't know how this compares to other states 'cause I've
- |>never lived anywhere else, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stats
- |>were similar...
- |>becka
- |>--
-
- In what way can opposition to government subsidy of private education be termed
- "denying choice". If you can afford it you can make the choice, if you can't you
- don't get to make the choice. Unless you are a socialist that is the ideal
- society.
-
- If like me you are a socialist then you have to separate out two sets of
- issues:-
-
- 1) Is there a role for non state provided education
-
- 2) Should the state subsidize education which requires the parent to pay for
- it.
-
- If it is a case that a school is popular with the parents and it is cheaper for
- the state to buy education from it as opposed to providing education itself then
- provided other criteria are met there is no reasonable objection provided that
- the education is provided free.
-
- The problem comes when an area has more schools than are needed, is the state
- going to be required to keep all the schools open indefinitely at half capacity
- or should it be allowed to rationalize. This ultimately is a question of whether
- people want to pay higher taxes to run schools inefficiently.
-
- If the parent is going to have to pay extra for the schooling then it is not
- acceptable for the state to provide a subsidy. Such a subsidy could only
- advantage people rich enough to afford to excercise it. Since the sole
- justification for subsidy within a capitalist or mixed ecconomy is to enable the
- socialy disadvantaged access to rights which would otherwise be denied them it
- does not make sense to subsidise the rich.
-
- The intermediate position and hold that a voucher or subsidy scheme should be
- means tested etc so that the poorest families get free education and the richest
- ones get no subsidy at all although prima facie fair is in fact no more than an
- extension of the tax scheme. The question is whether rich people with school age
- children should pay more tax than those without school age children. This is the
- opposite of what most people consider to be desirable since in general people
- prefer to get a tax break during the most costly period of their lives, ie when
- they have children, and pay it back when their expenses are lower.
-
- All in all the school vouchers issue boils down to "is this a sensible way to
- spend tax dollars". If the US people want to pay additional taxes to pay for a
- voucher scheme then fair enough. However if there is additional money avaliable
- in the ecconomy for the state to appropriate it would seem that providing an
- adequate health care service would be a higher priority.
-
-
- --
-
- Phill Hallam-Baker
-