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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Organization: AT&T
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:07:08 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.130708.13203@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <1993Jan11.015320.11854@netcom.com> <markp.726853035@joplin.wri.com> <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org>
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- In article <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan12.171943.27306@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- > >>
- > >...I take this opportunity to point out that
- > >much of what the abortion debate is about is the matter of who
- > >is best able to determine what is best for the woman involved:
- > >the state by fiat or the individual woman (with the best advice
- > >she is able to obtain)? There is a certain arrogance inherent
- > >in the belief that women are unable to make a correct decision
- > >for themselves when they are facing an unwanted pregnancy.
- >
- > I have no doubt that most if not nearly all women can make the best
- > decision for THEMSELVES, Dean. What is being questioned here, however, is
- > whether what's best for an individual woman may or may not be necessarily
- > best for the collective. After all, it's not just a decision that affects a
- > woman's body, it's also a decision that affects whether or not the
- > collective gets a new member. So shouldn't the collective at least get a
- > voice in the decision?
-
- The logical consequences of your statement are very far-reaching,
- but to keep this as short as possible, the sister to your statement
- is that the collective should then also have a voice in whether
- people have children at all. The collective, by your view,
- then can order pregnancies and enforce child-bearing, not
- simply prohibit abortion.
-
- The underlying philosophy behind choice is the primacy of
- freedom. Not an absolute freedom for all things at all
- times, but based on the notions of enlightened self-interest
- and the freedom to swing my fist when nobody else's nose is in
- evidence. The notion that the decision to bear or not bear
- children is a fundamental freedom not to be decided by fiat
- or the will of the collective. By what right does the
- collective order that an individual bear children and thereby
- take upon herself the responsibilities and risks associated
- with child-bearing? Certainly if there were a threat that
- the human race might become extinct, the needs of the many
- might outweigh the right of the one, but no such threat
- exists.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-