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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: Documenting claims for Mark Cochran (Was: Proposed...FAQ)
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- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.080314.12430@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:03:14 GMT
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- References: <1993Jan17.165453.17871@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan17.232047.18475@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan18.014515.16791@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan18.194049.22776@rotag.mi.org>
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- In <1993Jan18.194049.22776@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan18.014515.16791@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>In <1993Jan17.232047.18475@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>In article <1993Jan17.165453.17871@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>>>In <1993Jan16.204812.14124@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>>>In article <1993Jan11.211657.23247@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>>>>>In <1993Jan11.155025.21735@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>>>>>In article <1993Jan6.045359.13257@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>>>>>>>In article <1993Jan5.070455.20287@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>>>>>>>In article <1384@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- >>>>>>>>>>
- >>>>>>>>>>I've never seen Beth Bartley lie about anything on t.a. I find
- >>>>>>>>>>her extremely credible.
- >>>>>>>>>
- >>>>>>>>>Do you believe her informed claim that she is "pro-choice"?
- >>>>>>>>>
- >>>>>>>>Certainly. She states quite plainly that she is pro-choice early in
- >>>>>>>>the pregnancy, and in favor of restrictions for late term abortions.
- >>>>>>>>Given that she doesn't try to lie about or hide her views, I have no
- >>>>>>>>problem viewing her as pro-choice.
- >>>>>>>
- >>>>>>>"i think anyone who would ask if someone who openly supports anti-choice
- >>>>>>> legislation (and who would go as far as imprisoning women who have abortions)
- >>>>>>> as ms. bartley does is pro-choice is a complete and utter fool."
- >>>>>>> James G Keegan Jr, keegan@pan.crd.ge.com
- >>>>>>> 5 Jan 93 12:48:50 GMT
- >>>>>>> <1993Jan5.124850.10173@crd.ge.com>
- >>>>>>>
- >>>>>>>So now you're a "complete and utter fool", eh, Mark?
- >>>>>>
- >>>>>>Not according to what you quoted, Kevin. Since we've seen how easily
- >>>>>>confused you are by complicated sentences, let's trim it down a little:
- >>>>>> "i think anyone who would ask if ...
- >>>>>> ms. bartley ... is pro-choice is a complete and utter fool."
- >>>>>>
- >>>>>>You're the one who *asked*; Mark was *answering*.
- >>>>
- >>>> [blah, blah, blah, evade, blah, blah]
- >
- >Okay, Larry, let's do this a little more formally:
- >
- > Proposition A: According to Keegan's stated opinion, anyone who asks
- > whether Elizabeth is pro-choice is a fool
-
- Proposition B: You asked if Ms. Bartley is pro-choice
-
- Conclusion 1: You are, as much as can be discerned of Keegan's opinion
- of you, from the above declarations, a fool
-
- Proposition D: Mark answered that question
-
- Proposition E: You claimed that his answering the question proved him
- to be what Keegan's quote said the *asker* was.
-
- Conclusion 2: You blew it - you intended to trap Susan, but you made
- yourself out to be the fool.
-
- Proposition F: You are attempting to save face by questioning the
- validity of the quote you originally tried to use to
- prove your point.
-
- Conclusion 3: It's not working, as I have no interest in whether
- the quote is valid or not. I jumped in to point out
- that you were apparently confused by the quote, since
- your conclusion didn't follow.
-
- Conclusion 4: Your continued attempts at evasion only remind people
- of how foolish you were in the first place.
- --
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-