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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: fetal research
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:51:43 GMT
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- In <nyikos.727542910@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >The thread title is inspired
-
- "Insipid" is more like it.
-
- >Message-ID: <nyikos.724016721@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- >Subject: Re: Lost Boy bugged by fetal tissue transplants.
- >References: <By8KH2.IsA@rice.edu> <warren.723214120@hull> <1992Dec3.180726.12976@wdl.loral.com> <Byp8I6.BKx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Dec03.215031.121524@watson.ibm.com>
- >
- >In <1992Dec03.215031.121524@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
- >>In <Byp8I6.BKx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) writes:
- >>>The possibility still exists (however remote) that
- >>>someone would get pregnant to provide tissue for a loved one; a far worse
- >>>possibility is that someone could be *shamed* into doing this by a domineering
- >>>parent.
- >
- >>Nope. You can't "target" donations.
- >
- >Yes you can. At the present time it is illegal to target FEDERALLY FUNDED
- >donations, but (1) there is nothing illegal about targeting privately
- >funded donations and (2) even the federal ban will be null and void once
- >Clinton issues his promised executive order.
-
- Not according to the following, which makes no mention of funding:
- In article <1992Jun3.230603.1564@clipper.ingr.com> katy@clipper.ingr.com (Katy Yanda) writes:
- #>
- #> FYI, the sale of human organs is prohibited in the US. I imagine
- #> the sale of fetal tissues would be as well. Since abortions are
- #> performed by _doctors_, I imagine they would have no qualms about
- #> _donating_ the fetal tissue for research purposes.
- #>
- #> Of course, it doesn't make nearly as good of a scare-story.
- #>
- #> -rocker
- #
- #The disposition of fetal tissue for research and/or transplantation
- #already has been governed by the Universal Organ Donation Act, and
- #further guidelines have been specifically drawn up for the issue
- #of fetal tissue research/transplants by several medical and
- #research Boards. The scientific community is well aware of the
- #ethical issues surrounding this sensitive research, and among the
- #guidelines are the following:
- #
- #1. Costs of obtaining, transporting and sustaining fetal tissue
- #until delivered to the organization which requires it are to be
- #restricted to minimum costs, and are in no way allowed to be in
- #part or whole, subject to any profit. As in a "finder's fee" or
- #any other profit making scheme, Doug!
- #
- #2. The medical personnel who perform the abortion are to be in no
- #way the same or connected to the medical professionals who will
- #be using the fetal tissue.
- #
- #3. The decision to donate fetal tissue must be separate from the
- #decision to abort, and the decision to abort must be made before
- #any decision to donate fetal tissue. In addition, fetal tissue
- #cannot be donated to a particular person or group at the behest
- #of the donater.
- #
- #There are more restrictions, but I decline to list them for band
- #width sake. However, the little research about this subject
- #I made in one afternoon at the public library for a speech
- #could be easily duplicated by anyone.
- #
- #Doug, you are ignorant of all the facts of fetal tissue
- #research if all you are going by is one news article. I
- #think that by digging a little further into peer-reviewed
- #articles from such sources as Scientific American, Science,
- #and The Journal of the American Medical Association, you
- #will see that the medical profession is not aiding and
- #abetting a genocidal war against their fellow humans.
- #
- #But as rocker says, the facts don't make for a very good
- #scare story!
-
- >>>While fetal tissue implants are miraculous, it cannot be denied that they
- >>>are barbaric.
- >
- >>Are organ transplants "barbaric"?
- >
- >They are if you kill the donor in order to do it.
-
- So, if targeted donations are not possible, nobody's killing the donor in order
- to do it. Are organ transplants "barbaric" in general?
-
- >A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Especially on two falsehoods and
- >one leading (also misleading) question.
-
- As far as I know, targeted donations are not [legitimately] possible.
- If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
- --
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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