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- From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
- Subject: Re: military ban legislation upcoming
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.220044.6544@osf.org>
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- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <1993Jan26.183352.19650@spdcc.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:00:44 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.183352.19650@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
- > According to the paper the morning, it is expected that
- > if Clinton is successful in either removing the ban on the military
- > or starting a process by which the ban can be removed, that
- > legislation will be introduced to Congress which will change the
- > existing Executive Order to a legal directive.
-
- By which I assume you mean a law *requiring* the the military to
- discriminate.
-
- >
- > It is NOT likely that this will be a singular bill!
- > Mor elikely it will be added as an AMENDMENT to another bill
- > which has congressional support, thereby making it nearly
- > impossible to stop it from being passed.
-
- I hadn't heard about this. in fact, today (or possibly yesterday) is
- the first I heard about opposition in Congress -- what's been going on
- here? Seems like *somebody* has been sandbagged.
-
- Anyway, what I got from the paper this morning was that House Speaker
- Foley was solidly with the President on this one, but that Aspin was
- predicting that the Senate would be 70-30 against (which I found quite
- shocking; still naive after all these years). Of course, Aspin could
- be exaggerating for reasons of his own.
-
- So, it might be that such an amendment would pass the Senate but not
- the House. Foley might even be able to keep the House from seeing it.
-
- Touchy amendments that are passed by one house but not the other often
- disappear in the conference committee that hammers out the differences
- between the two houses' versions of the same bill. It might depend on
- who owes what to whom in Congress at the moment.
-
- It's always harder to change the law than not to change it. But
- suppose it does pass.
-
- > Since there is no
- > line-item veto for the President, he would have to veto the
- > entire bill to prevent an anti-gay rider....
- > it becomes a choice between breaking a campaign promise to
- > the general populace, or to gays in the wake of fierce opposition
- > to overturning the current ban. (Gee, I wonder which one he'd do?)
-
- Well, when the President vetoes a bill, he's required to say why. He
- could easily say, "Well, this is a fine bill, except you've thrown in
- this irrelevant and entirely unacceptable provision requiring the
- military to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Go back
- and try again."
-
- Maybe this is the point at which we find out what he's actually made
- of.
-
- I don't think the House would have the votes to override. Hell, maybe
- the Senate wouldn't either; I think Aspin is exaggerating in order to
- pass the buck. And the fearsome Helms has had less success the last
- few years in getting anything he wants passed; the rest of the
- senators have finally begun to figure out that he doesn't own them.
-