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- From: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <11830@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 00:35:23 GMT
- References: <1993Jan15.182148.7154@wam.umd.edu> <1993Jan17.014306.7372@adobe.com> <11788@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> <C1Evsp.313@apollo.hp.com>
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- Reply-To: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
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- In article <C1Evsp.313@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- > I write:
- >>The reason I set the followups the way I did is that I want to talk about
- >>the message that men get. The message is this:
- >>
- >>1) If you're a self-centered jerk, you'll get plenty of dates.
- >>2) It you're a nice, sensitive guy, you may at some time acquire a long-term
- >> partner who may or may not stop dating self-centered jerks. In the mean
- >> time, you might as well watch Popeye cartoons to see what your forearms
- >> are going to look like.
- >
- > Where did you get this message? Who gave it to you?
- > Why did you believe/internalize it?
-
- Obviously, K-Mart must have had a 2-for-1 sale on straw men while I wasn't
- looking.
-
- I never said that I belived or internalized anything. Nor did I say anything
- about blame or responsibility. If you can find any such claim in what I wrote,
- I will send you one-hundred American dollars in cash. If you cannot, it would
- be honorable to admit it.
-
- > I'm not denying that this message exists, but it's only one of
- > an enormous number of "messages" out there; I never personally
- > found it to be either persuasive or pervasive.
-
- Personally, I think that there is value in discussing the messages that
- people get. I think that it increases understanding of the way messages
- work, which may help people free themselves from their control. I think
- it's a good way to analyze the patterns in society without assuming, a
- priori, that someone is to blame, that a scapegoat must be found.
-
- -EMP
-