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- From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
- Subject: Re: What feminists believe (was: Re: Male Men Bashers)
- Date: 25 Jan 93 14:50:31 MST
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.145031.13874@hellgate.utah.edu>
- Followup-To: soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
- Sender: galt@peruvian.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
- Organization: University of Utah Computer Science
- References: <1993Jan22.093251.30@microsoft.com> <1993Jan23.201809.730@hellgate.utah.edu> <1993Jan25.153141.1270@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>
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- In article <1993Jan25.153141.1270@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan23.201809.730@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan22.093251.30@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >>>>12. Women should be drafted as well, where a draft exists.
- >>>
- >>>YES.
- >>
- >>Why is this a feminist issue? Currently, men's rights are denied by the
- >>draft, so you would like women to have the same rights taken away? That
- >>is ridiculous. To call that a feminist view is even more ridiculous.
- >
- >Not everyone feels a draft under certain circumstances would be
- >wrong.
- >
- >Too often, women are denied entry into something and people say
- >things to the effect 'it's bad for men so women shouldn't have to
- >do it'. It does no good for women's rights for women to be "protected"
- >from something, even if many people find that something to be bad.
-
- You know, I think that it is unfair that women aren't allowed to die
- early from heart attacks. To make things equal, we should develop
- a drug that lowers the life-span of women and force all women to take
- it... that way, women will have true equality.
-
- While we're at it, instead of increasing women's salaries to be the
- same as men's, let's just cut men's salaries to the level of women's.
- And what about rape? The perfect solution is for more women to rape
- more men.
-
- >If women want true equality they must be equal in all ways, including
- >times when it may not be much fun. Including women in a draft is
- >very much a feminist issue. How many times on the net have we heard
- >people say that women have it so much better because they don't
- >have to worry about a draft or combat positions? This is then
- >often used to justify things like less pay for the same work. Treating
- >women 'better' or in a 'special' manner makes it much easier for
- >people to deny them equality in other circumstances.
-
- This is not a case of women being treated "better", but of men being
- treated worse.
-
- I see nothing wrong with letting women into combat. If they want to
- fight, let them. If they don't want to, don't conscript them. I would
- like to have the same choice.
-
- I find it hard to believe that very many feminists agree with you. If
- they do, you can count me out.
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