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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: adoption rules
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:24:20 GMT
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- peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- >>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>A mother +should+ be hindered from placing a child for adoption
- >>>>if a father has not been "identified."
- >>>
- >>>What about births resulting from rape? This is really adding insult
- >>>to injury!
- >
- >>If it is so, she should have chosen an abortion.
-
-
- Returning to what you deleted:
-
- >>If it is so, she should have chosen an abortion. If she decided to have
- >>the child, then the child exists. And, to paraphrase your style of
- >>argument, once the child exists, it has a right to its parents. Both
- >>of them, whether in jail or out. "Insult to injury" of the *mother* is
- >>not an overriding force for the child's interests.
- >>
- >>If she thinks the alleged rapist will harm the child, she can say so --
- >>and a judge will decide.
-
- It is YOUR style of hardline position that says that
- once a child exists, it has a right to its parents.
-
- It is also characteristic of your style of "equality" to claim
- that a man who forces a woman to become a mother should be
- denied his parental rights, while a woman who forces a man
- to become a father should not be denied her parental rights
- (indeed, she should still be able to deny him his rights!).
-
- Michal, in your opinion, DOES a child have a right to both parents?
-
-
- >Mighty big of you, Don, to go around telling rape victims that they
- >*should* undergo surgery in addition to the harm that has already
- >been inflicted upon them.
-
- I hope that they will be treated as responsible and competent
- adults despite being victims of a terrible crime.
-
- I think it's unsympathetic of you to imply otherwise, Michal.
- You only degrade them more.
-
- Don
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