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- From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape ? (was Re: Mysogynist Bullshit)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.180652.25341@news.cs.indiana.edu>
- Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
- References: <93019.141055U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> <1993Jan19.205938.7956@news.cs.indiana.edu> <C15p04.BDz@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:06:43 -0500
- Lines: 41
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- Karl, you took this post out of context/
-
- In article <C15p04.BDz@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan19.205938.7956@news.cs.indiana.edu> "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
- >>You meet a woman at a bar, and for the two and a half hours you are
- >>there, she has six drinks. Or you're at a frat party, and she's been
- >>slamming back beers all evening. Is it REALLY that hard to tell, or
- >>have a good educated guess, as to whether this person is drunk or not?
- >>These two instances are where the problems with alcohol and consent
- >>happen.
- >
- >If, however, that woman goes outside, gets in her car, and drives, then
- >society holds her FULLY responsible for the consequences.
- >But if she gets in bed with a man the MAN is responsible for the
- >consequences, including being charged with rape!
-
- I have said in the past that this isn't fair and shouldn't be. A
- woman should not be able to turn around the next day and go, 'Oh, I
- know at the time I said I wanted to, but I was drunk...' I made the
- simple suggestions that perhaps a man should, just for the sake of
- protecting his ass in this day and age, not sleep with drunk women he
- doesn't know. Someone replied that this was hard to tell. To which I
- replied the above.
-
- >There's something wrong here. If you can give consent to drive (which you
- >obviously can) then you ought to be able to give consent to make love. I do
- >not accept that women should be "protected" from this decision any more than
- >I accept that men should be (and yes, this means that if I consent while
- >drunk to homosexual sexual relations, and find that I did something stupid
- >the next day, that I feel it is my problem and not the other party's)
-
- I agree with this. Pay attention to the thread next time and not
- individual messages.
-
- amy
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- I.U. probably doesn't agree with me. I don't speak for
- them so it doesn't matter, now does it?
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