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- From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
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- Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 14:33:19 GMT
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- peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:
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- >>Well now; consider the case where (b) is the only reason for a woman
- >>to have an abortion. That is, there are no rapes, no congenital
- >>defects, no pain or possible medical problems for the mother or
- >>child-to-be. Do you think such a society would make abortion
- >>legal or illegal?
-
- >A lovely ideal. But how does one ensure pain-free pregnancy and birth?
-
- Apologies for being unclear. Imagine an alternative universe in
- which the positions of men and women were identical w.r.t. the
- production of a child (clearly we can't get there from here, but
- it's an interesting thought experiment). That is, there would be
- no more burden on women than there is right now on men. The question
- is whether such a society would make abortion illegal altogether,
- whether it would allow either parent the decision of whether
- to abort, or whether it would require joint consent.
-
- If abortion would be illegal, then financial burdens would be
- considered an insufficient basis for choosing abortion. If joint
- consent were required for an abortion, then in the case of disagreement
- it is possible to argue that the parent wanting the child should
- shoulder a greater share of the childcare/financial burden. If
- either parent could cause the abortion, then it would be assumed
- that both parents wanted the child, and the burden would be shared
- equitably (possibly with time/money tradeoffs).
-
- I would tend towards the belief that such a society would make
- abortion illegal, at least if it had ethics comparable to those
- of our industrialized world, because it is so controversial at
- present, and many of those who support abortion do so only because
- of the burden placed on women. This would suggest that financial
- burdens are not considered sufficient reason; which removes the
- force behind the movement for men to have (formal) input into the
- abortion decision.
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