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- From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
- Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:30:32 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.083032.12616@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
- References: <1993Jan18.183816.22202@rotag.mi.org> <1jg739INNl6g@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan19.193048.24709@ll.mit.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan19.193048.24709@ll.mit.edu> x73rl@ll.mit.edu ( Rick LaFave) writes:
- >Men
- >are by far the losers in divorce, not women. Women, by holding the kids up
- >as a shield, are entitled to a post-divorce standard of living that is
- >equivalent to before divorce. Men are obviously not entitled to that
- >standard as they don't get custody (generally). I hope I'm around in say
- >20 years when men are getting a fair shake through the courts and wymen
- >are whyning about child support.
- >
- > Oh and men are in such a priveleged position WRT kids these days?
- >I've said it before and I'll say it again. Any rights that men have WRT
- >kids (married or not) are at the discretion of the woman. There are no
- >rights (for him WRT kids) that a sufficiently vindictive female can't
- >thwart with impunity. Under our current laws and court system any such
- >rights he believes he has are an illusion.
-
- > Let me continue... You have pointed out to me the right to demand to
- >participate in the childs care. I put to you that this is the right to pay
- >support and (as long as she desires) partcipate in the care of the child.
- >As such it is no different that other 'male rights'.
- >
- >Man and woman have sex. When its
- >over - well its ALL over, the condom has been rent asunder, sperm are going
- >wild, the great egg hunt is on (and its not even easter!). Lo and behold
- >a clump of cells is formed inside the woman. Man says 'Wow I must be a
- >manly sort-o-man! Uh.. BTW what do you think about an abortion?'
- >To which woman may reply 'Sorry I'm going to let that lump-o-cells turn
- >into a kid for you to support, and there is nothing you can do about it.'
- >
- >Now I'll grant you that he had his fun, and he made a lump of cells, but
- >he did not make the child. It was her decision to do that, she made the
- >child out of the (non-alive acording to pro-choice) lump of cells. Now
- >if she turned the non-alive lump-o-cells into a child by her own choice
- >and all by her lonesome then who is responsible? (No need to answer, if
- >you are as dogged as you have been in the past we already know your answer.)
- >I've said in the past that there is an inconsistancy between saying that he
- >has no rights as far as the z/e/f is concerned and demanding he support the
- >resulting child. If support is demanded, then he must have some rights
- >associated with the z/e/f, if he has no such rights, then support should
- >not be mandated.
-
- What he said.
-
- Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
- TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM
-