NetNews Usenet Archive 1993 #3/NN_1993_3.iso/spool/soc/bi/19392

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Gagnon)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:21:09 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew J Brown) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ac999273) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Badvoc) writes:

>>>To me being bisexual mean you don't think gender is very important.

>>     I disagree.  I am bi, and gender is still extremely important to
>> me.

>I think the problem here is for each of you, your bisexuality means a
>different thing *to you*. It's an easy and dangerous path to start
I think Mat has summed up the attraction thread perfectly, being bi means
something different for all of us, including who we are attracted to.
However in Karen's original post she mentions the essays that suggest "the
bisexual movement will do away with gender."

>[e-mail] (Karen van Hoek) writes:
>I recently read the book _Closer to Home_; many of the essays talk about
>how the bisexual movement is going to do away with gender and lead us
>to a truly androgynous society.

Is our sexuality the definition of our gender? If this is the case, then
bisexuality, the sexual attraction to both genders, would imply a genderless
society. But will this androgynous society be a result of the "bisexual
movement?"

From the discussion on this topic, we have clearly shown that, as bisexuals,
we are attracted to a wide variety of people. So I have a problem with the
definition implied above.

There are alot of reasons to eliminate the programmed gender roles from
our society. Our society's distorted ideas of sexuality prevents alot of
people from any close connection with their spirituality, the thing that
defines them as individuals.

Our psyche is often identified as feminine, along with the artistic
productions that are a result of creativity. The waking consciousness (the
ego) is thought of as masculine, the day time, the sun. However the
nighttime, the moon, and dreaming consciousness (sub-conscious), are
considered feminine. Aggression is usually understood to be violent or,
assertive action, male-oriented, while female elements are identified in
terms of the nurturing principle.

The slightest deviation from these programmed gender roles is looked
upon with dismay, so that the personal identity and worth are completely
tied into the identification with our gender role (male or female).

The "bisexual movement" could be defined as the attempt to eliminate
these limiting roles, and the result could be considered a "genderless"
society, but I don't think it implies the loss of identity associated with
androgyny.

Does androgyny mean loss of identity?
--
  |   Mike Gagnon.                                         |
-(+)-     "It's best no to be too moral, you cheat       -(+)-
  |   yourself out of too much life. Aim above morality."  |
              From the movie Harold and Maude.