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- From: becki@Ingres.COM (Rebecca E. Tants)
- Subject: Re: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
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- Reply-To: becki@squid.ingres.com (Rebecca E. Tants)
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 01:12:00 GMT
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- M. Lloyd (mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
- : I call myself bi. I really believe that I am. However, I do have to
- : deal with a good dose of the extreme-Kinsey paranoia. You know: near 0
- : or 6, you badger yourself about whether you're *really* monosexual. At
- : first glance it seems foolish to care; why not just be what you are?
- : But it really matters to me that I am bi, not 0. It matters to me that
- : I've done some of the deprogramming necessary to find men attractive.
-
- How are you defining bi? to me, i'm bi whether i'm currently involved with
- another woman or not. that's a part of me that won't change just because at
- any given moment i don't find the women around me attractive. i went through
- almost 4 years of self-imposed celebacy because there were no men around who
- i was all that attracted to (and i had not yet admitted to my own bisexuality).
- Does that make me a lesbian?
-
- Circles of friends change and grow around you all the time. some are female
- heavy, others are male heavy. the only way to get around that is to actively
- seek out circles of friends of the other sex (and the list of ways to do that,
- just of the top of my head, is rather long).
-
- But who you are currently around (and therefore the opportunities placed before
- you) is not the definer of your sexuality. whether you are bi or not doesn't
- change - the outward portrayal of that fact may, but that doesn't change the
- fact that were you to trip over a wonderful man you would still be attracted
- to him.
-
- : Right now, I'm living a poly het-boy's dream. I'm in a set of
- : relationships that at times resembles a Celtic knot (only less ordered),
- : and almost everyone involved is female. The people I'm meeting through
- : the people I know are almost all female. More than that, many of these
- : people are female-oriented, and I'm loving every moment in these
- : circles. It lets me feel I'm getting somewhere in learning independence
- : from my assigned role. But it also makes me feel het.
-
- No offense, love, but you make it sound like a disease. granted, we spend a
- lot of time around here coming down on hets because they can also be heavily
- bigotted about it, but just being het isn't something bad - it's how one
- responds to OTHERS and THEIR sexuality that can be bad.
-
- There are several arguements about how sexuality comes to a person, but the
- fall into two main camps -
-
- 1) you're born that way - if this is true, and you've been attracted to men
- in the past, then that isn't going to change just because there aren't any
- men around that you're interested in this moment.
-
- 2) you're not and it's a choice - in which case you have control over what
- choices you make and what to do if you don't like those choices. I however
- still don't see why that would preclude 'dry spells'. (Especially when almost
- everyone you hang around with right now is female.....)
-
- : 'Scuse me - I'm just questioning myself in public. Don't let me send a
- : strung-up vibe, or a morbid one, or whatever. I just wonder sometimes
- : about where the line between reality and political stance is. Anyhow, I
-
- Are you saying that you are politically bisexual? does that mean that
- you believe you should be but have never felt that you were? that's a more
- troublesome stand....
-
- I know people who are politically bi but would never do anything about it
- if the choice came up, or worse yet those who WOULD do something about
- it just to 'prove their point'. i don't find that a valid way to live one's
- life. People who do things because they should and not because they want
- to are wasting their lives. Questioning one's pre-conceived notions is
- a good thing, especially in gender related issues. It's also a very
- different thing. I know people who have fairly positive gender views who
- are still strictly het (or lesbian/gay for that matter). As long as those
- decisions/feelings are based on what they want and need instead of what
- they were told to want/need there is no harm.
-
- I doubt that made any sense, so feel free to ask for clarifications. i got
- interrupted by 3 different phone calls while writing, which is GUARENTEED to
- scatter my thoughts....
-
- *HUGS to all who want them*
- Becki
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