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- From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:33:07 GMT
- Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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- References: <1993Jan22.052706.8291@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1k28mb$f79@agate.berkeley.edu> <ZEN.93Jan26004125@death.corp.sun.com>
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- zen@death.corp.sun.com (d (415) 336 0742) writes:
- >mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
- >> Still, most hetero guys don't have clue
- >> one about anything outside their culturally assigned roles.
- >
- > No, mike... most *people* don't have a clue. Not just het males.
-
- Agreed, quite without complaint. I was just answering the question as
- asked, but you are quite right.
-
- >> It's as true as it ever was: a good man is hard to find.
- >> Mike, feeling some of the poignancy of that statement just now.
- >
- > Do tell?
-
- Ah, d. You asking me that is even more poignant than the moment I
- referred to, given that you stand as complex contradiction of any
- assertion I might make on my inability to find Male+Clue in one body.
-
- First off, I wasn't that upset (although many thanks, Kamal, for the
- expression of concern). I was just expressing a feeling of absence to
- some women I know the other day, and it fitted this thread.
-
- I call myself bi. I really believe that I am. However, I do have to
- deal with a good dose of the extreme-Kinsey paranoia. You know: near 0
- or 6, you badger yourself about whether you're *really* monosexual. At
- first glance it seems foolish to care; why not just be what you are?
- But it really matters to me that I am bi, not 0. It matters to me that
- I've done some of the deprogramming necessary to find men attractive.
- Gender is a Big Deal to me. [A million asides spring to mind, but I'll
- suppress them in the hope of keeping some focus to this.]
-
- It'd bother me a lot if I found I was only attracted to people of my
- race; the attraction would not be an evil, but it would point to some
- deeper problem in need of uprooting. It'd bother me a lot to find that
- I am only attracted to women.
-
- Right now, I'm living a poly het-boy's dream. I'm in a set of
- relationships that at times resembles a Celtic knot (only less ordered),
- and almost everyone involved is female. The people I'm meeting through
- the people I know are almost all female. More than that, many of these
- people are female-oriented, and I'm loving every moment in these
- circles. It lets me feel I'm getting somewhere in learning independence
- from my assigned role. But it also makes me feel het.
-
- Easy solution: find a good man to get close to. Problem: it ain't
- happening (yet). A dear (female) friend suggested I get into gay male
- circles; it's not a bad idea, but I'm just so damned *picky* about men!
- If they don't squick over the stuff that bugs me (especially gender
- politics, however manifested), I just write them off as UnEnlightened.
-
- 'Scuse me - I'm just questioning myself in public. Don't let me send a
- strung-up vibe, or a morbid one, or whatever. I just wonder sometimes
- about where the line between reality and political stance is. Anyhow, I
- *do* know some good men. I can count two near here, but both are in
- situations that make "pursuit" (or other tortures) not politic. I've
- met a few others that I may try to get to know better. I'm not posting
- in search of a solution - just airing the cupboards.
-
- warm hugs
- Mike, who had forgotten what it was like to post this kind of stuff
-
- --
- Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? | "Bloody nose and burning eyes
- Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and | Raised in laughter to the skies"
- backrubber of devotion | - Bruce Cockburn
- --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
-