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- From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
- Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
- Organization: Specialix International, London
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:07:31 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.130731.6343@specialix.co.uk>
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- vanhoek@bend.ucsd.edu (Karen van Hoek) writes:
-
- >I recently read the book _Closer to Home_; many of the essays talk about
- >how the bisexual movement is going to do away with gender and lead us
- >to a truly androgynous society.
-
- Hmmm' - I thought the idea of the "androgynous society" as such went out
- with the seventies when men stopped wearing eye-liner :-). But on a healthier
- note, it did give rise to the idea of the (if oft' elusive) "new man".
- Men who aren't afraid to display sensetivity, and shy away from being macho
- simply because it's whats expected.
-
- > It got me wondering -- _are_ we all
- >into androgyny, and if so, to what extent? Certainly I'm a feminist
- >and in favor of doing away with all societally-restricted roles and
- >codes of behavior based on gender -- but I'm not sure I'd say I'm really
-
- Well, I'm into androgyny as you describe it. One thing I noticed, after a
- few years in California was that our engineering department here has NO
- women, whereas in California, most engineering teams had a large if not equal
- proportion of women. It seems that software engineering in England is a male
- domain. (I've even heards others here say "Well, of course women think
- differently, they can't do lateral thinking, etc"). I have always felt much
- more fulfilled when I have had a good proportion of female collegues, if only
- for an increased variety of perpsectives. It's this kind of demarcation of
- professions according to gender that I'm against. The feminine and masculine
- qualities of men and women, individually offer us alot which would be lost
- if men and women acted, looked or thought the same.
-
- >for "androgyny". And the idea that being bisexual means you don't
- >notice or care about gender -- not true for me. I like men who look
- >masculine, with as many of the secondary sex characteristics as possible
- >(deep voice, body hair, muscles, etc.), and I like women who look and
- >dress feminine (I tend to wear skirts and makeup a fair bit, myself).
-
- Same here, I appreciate men as men and women as women - atleast when it
- comes to the secondary sex characteristics.
-
- >I wonder if I'm unusual, and if everyone else in the bi movement likes
- >the androgynous look for both sexes. Any comments?
-
- I can only speak for myself here - but no, I'm only ever attracted to men
- who are masculine though with women, although I tend towards the feminine
- types, I think it has alot more to do with strength of character and
- personality (in other words, I don't like the classical "bimbo", though
- a strong woman acting the bimbo can get my attention :-). I think the world
- would be a drab boring place without the distinctness of men and women.
-
- Kamal
-
- >Karen
-
-
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