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- From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
- Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.133805.10985@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Followup-To: soc.bi
- Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
- Sender: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
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- Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu> <1k0ghk$47a@agate.berkeley.edu> <ALAN.93Jan25170706@pluto.osf.org>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:38:05 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- In article <ALAN.93Jan25170706@pluto.osf.org>
- alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu>
- elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >->I might add that the worst soc.bi generally has to deal with are the
- >->clueless straight boyz who Just Want to Watch.
-
- >rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
- >> I read this as sort of a putdown of straight, voyeuristic men.
- >> what's wrong with just wanting to watch?
-
- >I'm not sure what elle@midway.uchicago.edu meant, but *I* read the
- >issue as being not that they just want to watch, but that they are
- >"clueless"... that they assume that they way to go about getting to
- >just watch to women is to come into soc.bi and (without getting to
- >know us) post a personal ad wanting to watch "hot bi babes".
- >
- >[The least they could do is post for "hot bi stud-muffins!" <grin>]
- >
- >*I* certainly have nothing against just watching!!!
- >
- >I certainly *do* object to clueless posts from people who come here to
- >post personals without reading and getting to know our issues.
-
- I'd point out that in Ellen's original post she seemed to be contrasting
- (the lesser evil of) "clueless straight boys" with the hardcore homophobes
- who afflict soc.motss. While I respect Ellen's position as one with
- a confirmed dislike for e-fluff, (and think she is quite nice in person),
- I still wonder if that same fluff is one of the things that keeps some
- of the 'phobes from soc.bi. They may prefer to attack people who
- they can say are *completely unlike* themselves; not be flirted with by
- members of both sexes.
-
- As for the question of men watching, I think I'm in the middle (so to
- speak) -- I got introduced to this queer stuff through the lesbian
- feminist movement -- in the process I've seen a fair amount of lesbian
- erotica, and also gotten a big dose of the ideological arguments
- about taking woman's sexuality seriously, not just seeing it as
- for men's benifit.
-
- (Though I remember the last thread where Roy and I were talking about
- lesbians -- maybe I should keep quiet ;)
-
- However, the situation Roy describes sounds rather benign even if one
- applies an ideological test -- are you sure you aren't going
- vanilla on us Roy ;) ;).
-
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