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- From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
- Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:48:20 GMT
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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- References: <1993Jan21.203741.17574@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
-
- ->I might add that the worst soc.bi generally has to deal with are the
- ->clueless straight boyz who Just Want to Watch.
-
- Umm, this is just probably due to _my_ experiences, but this sort of made me
- cringe ...
-
- I read this as sort of a putdown of straight, voyeuristic men.
-
- Pardon me for not having the Right Opinions, but what's wrong with just
- wanting to watch?
-
- Certainly, I know enough women who drool at the sight of two men making it,
- and I find it somehow sexist to single out the men, possibly because they're
- the only people would would admit it publicly.
-
- It's more than that, I suppose ... I was involved in a foursome last night
- (two men, two women. I was one of the men), in (one of my ) straight best
- friend's hotel room, on his bed. He was invited to join in, declined, and
- spent the rest of the night (well, some of it. He went to sleep about 90
- minutes before we were finished) watching us (actually, he declined by
- saying he had the best view from where he was).
-
- I dunno ... It's just that when I read your comment, I automatically applied
- it to him, and was offended, y'know?
-
- It's like these days, I may get offended at the people who so easily, so
- naturally put down men who think of going to bed with two women (though it
- seems like you'd have to be awefully clueless to want to go to bed with two
- lesbians (though I want to go to bed with a few straight men I know)) ...
- there's this assumption that brands them automatically as hetboys who want
- the two women to serve them, etc etc etc ...
-
- Political Correctness is a fun thing :).
-
- Look, I'll admit it.
-
- I was in bed with two women. It was nice. It was wonderful seeing my love
- happy (well, she was more than happy, but you get the point).
-
- Yes, I had a _lot_ more fun because of Him, and what we did together, but
- there were two women in the bed. I'm sorry. I found the situation
- extremely erotic, and I found both of them extremely beautiful, I found each
- of their interaction with my love beautiful.
-
- Now, granted, I'm bi. This let me enjoy his beauty, his body, his ... well,
- pardon me, I'm going into ecstatic-mode again. It was incredible.
-
- It also let me be a lot more comfortable with having another man in the bed
- with me (actually, this isn't strictly true. I couldn't have dealt with
- being in bed with two women alone. I would have taken the chair. But you
- get the point). A heterosexual man isn't as lucky, and therefore might only
- feel comfortable with a woman / two+ women in bed.
-
- We keep assuming this fantasy that some hetmen have about being in bed with
- two women is chauvinistic, sexist, wrong. I don't think it can
- automatically be branded as such, while still 'allowing' some women to have
- their fantasy about two men with them.
-
- I dunno ... it's just this vague discomfort I have with branding thoughts,
- fantasies, as, in essence, politically incorrect. I think it's wrong.
-
- -roy
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