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- From: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
- Subject: Re: blame it on the media! (was Re: First Post!)
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:38:08 GMT
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- In article <MUFFY.93Jan22183254@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.135839.18944@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
- >>By the way, I think it's a little unfair to blame the media for the
- >>models of society we grow up with. When all's said and done, the
- >>media are only reflecting the perceptions of the general populace.
- >
- >In a way, this is true, but *which* "general populace" are they
- >reflecting the opinions of? Certainly not me and my friends...*grin*.
- >I think that the models presented by the media are on the conservative
- >side of the "averge" point of view.
-
- Actually I think the media mainly portray the lifestyles and opinions
- of that small section of society who work in the media -- mainly
- urban and middle-class.
-
- >>My models of sexuality were (I believe) influenced far more by the
- >>perceptions and behaviours of my contemporaries at school than by
- >>anything I saw on television or read in the papers.
- >
- >Perhaps so, but where did your contemporaries get their views? Views
- >don't just spring into being for each new generation. They're getting
- >their views from their parents, who got them from their parents, etc.
-
- I don't think so -- certainly not in the realm of sex anyway, where
- most parents are fairly reticent. My impression is that children
- mainly pick these things up from older children. "Child folklore"
- is a pretty strong influence, though one that doesn't get commented
- on much.
-
- >All of these people are also influenced by the people around them and
- >what *they* see in the media. So, while the media may not *cause* all
- >these views, it does have a large hand in *reinforcing* them.
-
- But when you're a child, nearly all of what you observe in the media
- concerns the adult world, not your own world. I don't remember
- viewing adult relationships as relevant to my own relationships.
-
- >Reinforcement: if you constantly see your views presented as the way
- >other people think/act, you will feel that they must therefore be
- >"right." This is related to another phenomenon I've noticed, where many
- >people feel threatened when they are confronted by a lifestyle or
- >viewpoint that is different from theirs. Some people take this as a
- >disparagement of and attack on their choices, since if the other person
- >chose differently, they must think that their choices are "better."
- >These people fail to recognize that the choice is only "better" for the
- >person who chose it.
-
- Yes, valid point.
-
- >Presentation of a range of views: Some people have very little contact
- >with people in other societies and cultures, people with different
- >viewpoints, or people with different lifestyles. The various media are
- >one way of putting these people in contact with those other people, or
- >at least images of them. For example, imagine a person who doesn't know
- >any homosexual people. They have to get their image of homosexual
- >people from other people and the media. However, if they really don't
- >know any, it is fairly likely that the people they know don't know many,
- >either. So, the media are the main source of their images.
-
- As I said above, there's plenty of folklore about homosexuals -- I'm
- sure people had views about them well before the mass media came
- along! I agree that the media could do a better job of correcting
- people's views. Certainly one of the most dangerous views that we
- grow up with is "I don't know any homosexuals", or "Homosexuals aren't
- real people". I remember watching one camp comedian on television
- when I was little and thinking "Of course he can't *really* be
- homosexual, he's just acting it". Since (in popular entertainment
- anyway) the media's portrayal of homosexuality is almost exclusively
- through innuendo, it can be very difficult to learn that it's not just
- a music-hall joke.
-
- >Presentation of a wide variety of choices would be desirable, in my
- >opinion. A lot of people simply don't know that they *have* that many
- >choices. If the media were to present more, they would be more aware of
- >them. Certainly, they could acheive the same results by travelling
- >extensively, meeting lots of people and talking to them, etc., but few
- >people actually do that. Even for people who are not trying to choose a
- >viewpoint or lifestyle, it would be good for them to have a clearer
- >understanding of the choices of others.
-
- Yes, I fully concur. I think the discussion has slipped from "How
- much information about lifestyles do we pick up from the media?" to
- "How much information about lifestyles *should* be conveyed by the
- media?", a different question altogether.
-
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