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- From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
- Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
- Organization: FYL
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:02:45 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.220245.22421@fylz.wa.com>
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- Walter Bright (bright@nazgul.UUCP) wrote:
- : josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
- : / I guess I'll stick a toe into these waters... I LIKE the transit
- : / system in Seattle. Even before I got my absurdly cheap u-pass, I
- : / bought monthly passes, and rode the bus EVERYWHERE. I have a car,
- : / but I very seldom use it.
- :
- : Absurdly cheap because it is tax-subsidized (heavilly). I recall reading
- : somewhere that if riders paid what it actually cost, it would be around
- : $6 for a ticket.
-
- That's pretty close. In order to get federal funds for mass transit
- you have to get at least 25% (might be 20, I am not sure) of the costs
- from rider fares. I think this is unfortunate because cheaper fairs
- would mean more riders which would mean more routes and busses more
- often which would mean more riders ...
-
- It's not like we don't subsidize private cars as well. Lost revenues
- from more surface roads rather than productive use (such as homes,
- businesses or even farms) is a huge subsidy.
-
- : / I am, however, generally in favor
- : / of anything that will get people to drive less,
- :
- : Raise gasoline taxes. It worked before (people used to drive a lot more
- : before the Arab oil embargo, and people drive much smaller cars now).
-
- Good (but politically unpopular) suggestion. Once we force people to
- buy cars (by inconvenient location of businesses, poor mass transit,
- etc) we then encourage them to drive more because of a number of fixed
- costs such as insurance, auto registration, not being able to leave
- you car parked in one place on the street for over 24 hours, etc.
- A "whole system" approach is needed where real costs are evaluated and
- passed on to the consumer. If that happened I expect lots of people
- would find mass transit to be "more convenient" and businesses would
- consider access to mass transit a plus instead of a minus. Why, new
- shopping facilities might even get designed to be easy access by
- transit instead of surrounded by the world's largest parking lots.
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