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- From: biow@cs.umd.edu (Christopher Biow)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas be
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- Date: 26 Jan 93 03:07:50 GMT
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- In article <728019093.AA05876@csource.oz.au> joe@csource.oz.au (Joe Slater) writes:
- >Wednesday January 20 1993, ata@hfsi.UUCP writes to (crosspost 1) All:
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- >aU> I would be most greatful if you could point out to me the passages in
- >aU> Scripture that support "treating gays badly".
-
- >Um, you mean apart from killing them?
-
- In hope of preventing a homosexuality flame war on sci.skeptic,
- here's probably the best answer that either side is going to get
- on this question. First, the most quoted verse:
-
- Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman,
- both of them have committed an abomination; they shall
- be put to death, their blood is upon them.
-
- That taken care of, we can find quite a lot of Old Testament rules
- on sex, many of them with quite dire enforcement means. Yet the com-
- mon thread in OT sexual rules is the need to produce offspring.
- Tribes that didn't do this well didn't survive to write scripture.
- Thus, a man is required to keep his sister-in-law pregnant if
- his brother dies (regardless of the presence of his own wife(s)).
-
- Deu 25:5 "If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies
- and has no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married
- outside the family to a stranger; her husband's brother shall
- go in to her, and take her as his wife, and perform the duty
- of a husband's brother to her.
-
- Polygamy is fairly common in the OT, and would be almost necessary
- after costly wars had reduced male populations. So how do we, today,
- choose from among the OT sexual rules?
-
- That, of course, is a decision made by each religion, each sect,
- each person. Very few Christians consider all of the OT rules
- to still be valid. Our 'tribe' is in little danger of dying out
- through lack of births.
-
- What did he just say? Did he say that the Bible calls for harassment
- of gays today? No. Did he say that the whole OT can be casually
- discarded by modern Christians? No. Did he say that OT sexual rules
- should be the basis of civil legislation in the US? No.
-
- Now let's leave the flame wars to soc.*, and get back to debunking
- falsifiable claims. Thanks.
-