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- From: det@sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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- Subject: Re: New Physics, Healing, Paranormal
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 15:25:57 GMT
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- In article <-xq3+jr@rpi.edu>, petitc@nuge112.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
- >Actually, I also side more with the advocate of 'New Age' stuff. Most of it,
- >I'll agree is probably off-the-wall. But, some is very important and ignored
- >in this day and age. Specifically...
- >
- >Emotions and mental states are CRUCIAL to physical health...
- >Properly done therapudic touching can help heal sicknesses by making the
- >subject feel cared for...
-
- This predates New Age pseudoscience. It differs from New Age babble in
- that it 1) is supported by well-documented clinical studies and 2) is
- explainable without mysticism or mis-stated physics. The brain does
- exist within and has influence over the physical body, including influence
- over aspects of the biochemistry. It does not require mysticism to
- expect that this gives the patient's psychological state a degree of
- influence over his or her recuperative abilities.
-
- >It is possible to perceive someone else's emotional state by non-verbal
- >means...
-
- Which is extrapolation of sensory information, not some "6th sense" input.
-
- >As for all the ESP info---consider this. There are many urban legends which
- >involve ESP as 'saving the day' Now, in order for ESP not to exist, EVERY ONE
- >of those stories must have either an alternate explanation or be totally
- >false.
-
- No argument. But no one has been able to demonstrate the existence of ESP
- under laboratory conditions that stand up to peer review, despite substantial
- monetary incentives to do so. This does not prove that ESP does not exist
- in any form, but certainly does not argue in favor of it.
-
- >Just remember---Relativity wasn't believed to exist either, until someone
- >thought of how to prove its existence.
-
- The theory of relativity made specific predictions that were testable
- under difficult to measure conditions. When the measurements were
- possible, they agreed with the predictions with statistically significant
- accuracy. Thus far, all predictions based upon ESP conjectures have failed
- to produce statistically significant verifiable results. There is a
- set of procedures for verifying scientific theories, and it exists to
- ensure that results are repeatable and to eliminate false results due to
- the bias of the researcher. Even the simplest forms of ESP have failed
- to be reproducibly measurable under any conditions that eliminate
- alternate explanations.
-
- People will believe what they want. Religions have arisen in the past to
- explain what people do not understand. Coincidence is not well understood
- by most people, especially when low probability events occur. Most people
- interpret a 1 in 10000 chance of an event as an impossible occurrence,
- but if there are 1000000 opportunities per day of such an event, it
- in fact becomes a likely occurrence.
-
- This discussion really does not belong in r.a.s.t., and I apologize
- to subscribers whose time is being wasted here. I was trained as a
- scientist, and find today's widespread ignorance of the scientific
- no less than appalling. I see the bulk of the New Age claims as
- at best based upon ignorance and wishful thinking, and at the
- worst blatant hucksterism.
-
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