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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Black hole insights
- Date: 24 Jan 93 15:15:39
- Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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- In-reply-to: brahm@cco.caltech.edu's message of 24 Jan 1993 07:06:04 GMT
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- In article <1jtf4sINNrcd@gap.caltech.edu> brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm) writes:
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- bbowen@megatest.com (Bruce Bowen) writes re: an uncharged, non-rotating
- black hole,
- > The coordinate time for an infalling infinitesimal testpoint to reach
- > the horizon is infinite. The proper time is finite.
-
- I've been trying to get this straight too, so someone let me know if I'm
- mistaken, but I think your first statement is only true in some coordinate
- systems (e.g. Schwarzschild coordinates), not in others (e.g. ingoing
- Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates). See MTW pp. 828-829, 872-875.
-
- What I want to know is, when people calculate how much "time" it takes for
- a black hole to evaporate (proportional to M^3 they say), what coordinate
- are they talking about? I'm still confused by the fact that a test
- particle takes infinite Schwartzschild "t" to pass the horizon, but the
- hole evaporates in finite "t", and I'm not convinced that the "bulging"
- effect people have mentioned is the answer. Perhaps I'm just being
- irresponsible using Schwarzschild coordinates when M is changing.
-
- The Membrane Paradigm by Thorne et al discusses these issues nicely,
- the formalism is ugly but it is a nice way to consider some of these
- problems, in particular it side-steps the question of what happens at
- the singularity and the adding of particles to black holes as they
- evaporate. Oh, for those in the mood for a challenge, it does consider
- non-symmetric infall onto rotating holes :-)
-
- I think it is very important to forget about "test" particles being
- sent in carrying no mass-energy, if you want to track the fate of the
- particle it has to carry _finite_ energy. Yet again QM comes to the
- rescue of GR!
-
- * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
- * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
- * The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
- * And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
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