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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Black hole insights
- Message-ID: <STEINLY.93Jan22191221@topaz.ucsc.edu>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 03:12:21 GMT
- References: <C18EqF.86x@megatest.com> <mcirvin.727739154@husc.harvard.edu>
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- In-reply-to: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 21:45:54 GMT
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- In article <mcirvin.727739154@husc.harvard.edu> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin) writes:
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- bbowen@megatest.com (Bruce Bowen) writes:
-
- (in a very nice summary of some black-hole physics)
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- >For a massive object, what horizon are you talking about? The horizon
- >of the original black hole, or the horizon of the black hole + object?
-
- An excellent point. The horizon of a black hole, as some have
- pointed out, comes out to meet a massive object that falls into it.
- In this discussion I've usually been idealizing infalling objects
- as massless test particles.
-
- Which raises the interesting question of how you are to
- receive a signal from a massless test particle falling in!
-
- To recap: anything carrying mass-energy falling into a black
- hole will be enveloped by an extended horizon in a finite
- time to a stationary observer at infinity.
-
- eg. Schwarzschild black hole mass M, consider pressure free
- mass m falling in spherically symmetrically in the
- rest frame of the hole. The mass reaches finite radius R+r
- in finite time as measured by stationary-observer-at-infinity
- but if r/R < m/M there is now a new horizon extending past the
- object.
-
- As an exercise for the student, generalise to Kerr holes and
- non-symmetric infall ;-)
- For those with true ambition, demonstrate above either
- without reference to the Hoop conjecture, or prove the
- Hoop conjecture :-) (and _please_ send me a preprint!)
-
- * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
- * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
- * The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
- * And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
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