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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: Big Bang Alternates
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:22:01 GMT
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- ethan@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Ethan T. Vishniac) writes:
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- > In my previous response to Tom Van Flandern I already mentioned why a
- > proposal like Reddish's is incapable of explaining the microwave
- > background. It's probably worth noting though that the ISM is not well
- > characterized by any single temperature. ... it is fair to say that
- > with a few exceptions, these temperatures are not normally observed to be
- > anything like 3 degrees.
-
- In suggesting that the ISM surrounding the local superbubble might be
- the source of the microwave radiation, I am taking a devil's advocate
- position of "why not" rather than promoting that idea as probable. (I wish
- to distinguish conjectures from serious models.)
-
- Given that conjecture, your argument against it seems circular. If
- the 3-degree radiation did originate locally, then the bulk of the ISM (the
- parts that have already thermalized) would be characterized by a single
- temperature (3 degrees). Moreover, all observations of the microwave
- radiation would be observations of the local ISM. So your two statements
- are inapplicable.
-
- > This still seems wrong. The ISM of the galaxy won't produce a blackbody
- > unless it is optically thick at the relevant wavelengths. It isn't.
-
- I am aware of this argument, but don't understand how it applies here.
- I understand that an optically-thin medium would ordinarily radiate more
- than it would absorb and so not be thermalized, but starlight sets a 3-
- degree minimum to the temperature of the ISM, keeping it in equilibrium. So
- it must be a blackbody, nes pas?
-
- For example, in Harwitt's "Astrophysical Concepts" (2nd edition, p.
- 286), he mentions two conditions for blackbody radiation: (1) thermal
- equilibrium; and (2) "for this equilibrium to become established, we
- require that the assembly of absorbing particles at constant temperature be
- large enough so that a succession of absorption and re-emission steps occur
- before energy escapes from the surface of the assembly." That's a little
- vague, and usually would require optical thickness, but I think an
- optically-thin ISM surrounding a local superbubble (to provide a "surface")
- continually heated by the radiation of starlight meets these criteria.
-
- If it doesn't, I would be glad to receive a clear explanation of my
- error. -|Tom|-
-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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