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- From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
- Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
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- wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) writes:
- >
- >(Figures herein are from the article in the September 1992 issue of
- >Consumer Reports. I suggest that any American who hasn't read that
- >article keep his/her trap shut until they do -- it explodes a lot
- >of the myths about the Canadian system.)
-
- Actually, some of the stuff in CR is old but as a first order look
- at how we do things up north, it's adequate. If anything, CR puts
- too much credit on government when our so-called "system" involves
- passive insurance facilitating the doctor-patient relationship, as
- you have with real health insurance in the U.S. (my girlfriend gets
- it from her dad, a major research exec with a Euro-American pharma-
- ceutical firm; it's the closest thing I've seen to what I had in all
- four provinces that I've lived in but -- oh! -- all those forms!!).
-
- >>and it does not help defray the development costs, which US care does.
- >
- >It does? This is news to me.
-
- It means that if developments at U of Toronto, etc. are not reported
- in your local paper, then they don't exist ... (-;
-
- >>For another, one must find a primary care physician, and all else
- >>must be referred through that doctor; I believe that changing such
- >>is difficult.
- >
- >Why? About half of Canadian physicians are family practioners.
- >(As opposed to 13% in the US.)
-
- Part of that is due to a tighter market for specialists due to a much
- smaller population. We only have four cities west of the Great Lakes
- (Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg -- and only Vancouver has more
- than 1 Million people (1.5M)) so market forces will dissuade you if
- you can't get enough billings or even enough work to be worthy of
- practicing. CR was as braindead on geography as the propogandists.
- Many family practioners have done residencies but can't find enough
- business to practice that -- plus, we have the same doctors monopoly
- controlling the issue of licences, and that's harder with fewer people.
-
- >>Also, there are other cost-cutting limitations.
- >
- >Given that medical costs are exploding, what's wrong with limiting
- >them? Just saying "limitations" illustrates nothing and proves nothing.
-
- You're supposed to believe that there is a Big Brother health
- bureaucracy like you have in an HMO -- not a couple dozen data
- entry droids running through bills from doctors and hospitals.
-
- gld
- --
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Gary L. Dare
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