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- From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
- Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
- Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:29:26 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.122926.7288@omen.UUCP>
- References: <17973@pitt.UUCP> <1993Jan12.114207.17814@omen.UUCP> <18128@pitt.UUCP>
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- In article <18128@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan12.114207.17814@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
- >
- >>>So if you're so smart, why ain't you thin? Sorry, I couldn't pass
- >>
- >>If you professional diet wonks are so smart, why isn't your cure
- >>rate better than chiropractic?
- >>
- >
- >What's a professional diet wonk? I've been on a lot of diets,
- >but I don't think that is what you meant. I'm not cured, but
- >at least I have achieved a measure of control.
-
- "Professional diet wonk" is a phrase, inspired by Rush Limbaugh, designed
- to get a rise out of Gordon Banks. I did not mean it to refer to the
- sketchy, incomplete, anecdotal, and sometimes contradictory personal
- observations of certain individuals' personal weight cycling histories.
- Rather, it refers to dogmatic statements about the etiology of human
- obesity and to treatments that often are less useful than the quack
- nostrums sold at medicine shows.
-
- >>The RU-486 and CoPP treatments completely reversed the subjects'
- >>obesity. Timed bromocriptine seems to work wonders.
- >
- >Didn't seem to on our friend Steve Dyer.
-
-
- Gordon, for your patients' sake I hope you study their
- histories, symptoms, and the relevant medical literature more
- carefully than you have on this subject. Given the information
- in the paper by Meier et al and Steve's stated dosage schedule
- there should be no surprise about the lack of results.
-
- Keep in mind timed bromocriptine doesn't have to show anything
- like its preliminary results to be a quantum leap improvement
- over the current dark ages of obesity treatment.
-
- >>The issue is, is dieting sufficiently safe and effective for all
- >>subgroups of fat people that America should continue to spend
- >>$30+ billion/yr on it while sandbagging the development and
- >>deployment of superior alternatives?
- >
- >I don't understand the "sandbagging". What evidence do you have
- >of any sandbagging? Is all the dieting worth the money? Probably
- >not. I agree that most people can't get it to work for them.
-
- If the public were correctly educated about the causes and
- non-cures of obesity, the current situation where $30+
- billion/yr is wasted on weight loss quackery while legitimate
- obesity research limps along at one thousandth of that rate
- simply would not be tolerated.
-
- Evidence of sandbagging? Last weekend a major study (12866 men)
- linking diet cycling with bad health outcomes was read at a meeting
- of the American Heart Association. From the Associaed Press:
- The study is the latest of several reports that
- suggest that "yo-yo dieting" -- repeatedly losing and
- gaining weight -- is riskier than keeping weight
- steady, researchers said Saturday. The results led
- to the controversial suggestion at an American Heart
- Association meeting that people should stop trying to
- reach an ideal weight and simply lose whatever they
- can realistically keep off. "I propose that smaller
- but well maintained weight losses will be a more
- beneficial factor ... than larger but poorly
- maintained weight losses," said Kelly D. Brownell of
- Yale University, a leading obesity researcher. "It's
- really quite a new concept," Brownell said. "It goes
- against the medical orthodoxy which says you're
- either at the ideal weight or you're not." Brownell's
- suggestion was warmly received at the American Heart
- Association's conference on heart disease prevention.
- "It's sort of facing reality," said Dr. W. Virgil
- Brown, past president of the American Heart
- Association. "We have been culprits in the case he's
- making, setting unrealistic goals for everybody,"
- Brown said.
-
- Now this strikes me as being more important than the paper
- on the 10 "diet resisters" put out by the diet mavens at St Luke's.
- The hit piece was on CNN and network newscasts for almost a full day,
- but this latest information on diet cycling never appeared on CNN or
- the networks as far as I could tell. Apparently the media is in no
- condition to risk alienating a major source of advertising revenue.
-
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