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- From: mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland)
- Subject: Re: F distribution and relation to Beta
- Message-ID: <mcclella.727832615@yertle.Colorado.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
- References: <1993Jan23.205550.1671@fuug.fi>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:43:35 GMT
- Lines: 103
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- an7855@anon.penet.fi writes:
-
- >>
- >> pddxt@chalk.cpceng.cpc.gmeds.com (Dino Triantos 575-4386) writes:
- >>
- >> >I'm working on a problem in Mood, Graybill and Boes that asks to find the
- >> >relationship between the F and Beta distributions. The problem asks: If
- >> >X has an F distribution with m and n degrees of freedom, show that
- >> >
- >> > mX/n
- >> > W = ------- has a Beta distribution.
- >> > 1 + mX/n
- >>
- >> >Any suggestions or solutions would be greatly appreciated!
- >>
- >> >Dinos Triantos
- >> >GM/Midsize Automotive Division
- >> >Vehicle Systems Analysis
- >> >C-P-C Engr. Center Rm# G241
- >> >Fax: (313) 575-7270
- >> >E-mail: pddxt@cpceng.cpc.gmeds.com
- >>
- >> Is this a homework problem or will the solution to this
- >> statistical issue help GM build better cars? The net has
- >> informal prohibitions against providing answers to homework
- >> problems. The problem you raise is a very standard homework
- >> assignment in undergraduate statistics classes. When I did it as
- >> a homework problem many years ago I remember that it was a bit
- >> easier to do it as W = 1/(1+(m/n)F). It won't help you solve it,
- >> but a useful insight is that W is often known as R^2. Good luck!
- >>
-
- > What rock did this respondent crawl out from under of?
-
- > [I've carefully removed his identity from his response.
- >I'm more concerned with what he represent that who he is.]
-
- Then I'll carefully put the identity back in. My name is Gary
- McClelland and I'm a professor at the Univ of Colorado. Who may
- I ask is an7855@anon.penet.fi? Do you have the courage of your
- convictions Mr. or Ms. Anon?
-
- > Here we have an individual working in industry who has a statistics
- >question and some clown decides to disgrace the profession by going beyond
- >even stereotypical behavior to insult the client (Is this a homework
- >problem or will the solution to this statistical issue help GM build
- >better cars?)
-
- As a professor, I do not think it appropriate for the net to
- provide students with answers to homework problems. The original
- poster indicated that it was a problem from a standard
- statistical textbook. It appears in all respects to be a
- homework problem. The same poster posted a similar note asking
- about a different homework-like problem within the week. Perhaps
- I goofed in inferring from so little data that a trend was
- developing, but I thought it appropriate to suggest that if this
- were homework, that responses from the net would not be
- appropriate. But perhaps I'm wrong on net opinion. Should we
- take a vote as to whether we should be answering homework
- problems?
-
- I've also served as consultalnt for the General Motors Research
- Labs. I know that they have some _very_ competent statisticians.
- If the poster needs help with work-related statistical issues,
- then there are better places within GM to seek answers to those
- questions rather than appealing to the net.
-
- > Put the two together and you've got intellectual
- >bullying (or incompentence, depending on the reason for the
- >misinformation) at its worst. And no one bothers to take the respondent
- >to task!
-
- At least no one not willing to hide behind an anonymous name and
- address...
-
- > I've never posted to this group because of my anger at the amount of
- >abuse and misinformation that gets passed out. I've prefered to send my
- >advice by private e-mail and take part in a real dialogue with my
- >"clients".
-
- One nice thing about postings to the net, as opposed to private
- e-mail, is that postings are subject to a form of peer review.
-
- > Wouldn't it have been nice if Mr. Triantos had learned that
- >statisticians were only too happy to help those who were eager and willing
- >to learn?
-
- There is a lot of evidence that suggests that students will learn
- and retain better problems that they solve on their own as
- opposed to having someone else solve the problems for them.
-
- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
- >Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
- >and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.
-
- Maybe anonymous postings are useful for some of the lurid alt.*
- newsgroups, but do we really need to hide behind anonymous IDs
- for sci.math.stat?
-
- gary mcclelland
- univ of colorado
- mcclella@yertle.colorado.edu
-