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- From: daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough)
- Subject: Re: godel theorem and godel theorem ....(Re: Where's
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.171442.1734@oracorp.com>
- Organization: ORA Corporation
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:14:42 GMT
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- cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole) writes:
-
- >I think the missing links between GT and the assertitions you've seen it
- >applied to are that science and philosophy are attempts to create a fully
- >logical complete consistent system for modeling life and the universe. That is
- >not really all that accurate, but I think it explains the connection for (1)
- >and (3). The fiction of truth is a bit different. There is no proveable truth
- >logically beyond ones own existence if one does not make assumptions of truth.
- >For those who have sought to make only a few assumptuions and prove various
- >truths that fully represent reality consistently from them, GT undermines the
- >attempt. It shows that logical deduction is insufficient to explain anything
- >complex no matter how many starting axioms you take. For seekers of objective
- >truth backed by logic, this is a disturbing concept.
-
- I don't have any answer for you, but I would like to point out that
- there is a problem in applying logical results to informal talk about
- truth. According to our informal notions, TRUTH is something out there
- waiting for us to find it. After we find the TRUTH, we may try to
- express it in words, or we may find that it can't be expressed in
- words. In any event, we intuitively think of TRUTH as something that
- exists independently of the language we use to express it. In
- contrast, when a logician talks about truth, she is talking about a
- property of a language (or more generally, the relationship between a
- language and an intended model). There are no language-independent
- truths for the logician.
-
- Daryl McCullough
- ORA Corp.
- Ithaca, NY
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