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- From: alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alan McGowen)
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:38:11 GMT
- Subject: Re: A Conversation with Conan
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- Kevin Brown writes:
- >But if what you say about biosystems is true, then I would imagine that
- >the end result of any such action is a "tree of effects", and some of the
- >nodes of that tree may be nodes that humans would care about. And if
- >*that* is so, then humans would be rather foolish to knowingly take such
- >an action without having already weighed the consequences (your argument
- >that humans *do* these things is irrelevant, inasmuch as I am already
- >aware that there exist foolish humans).
- >[...]
- >And the argument that We Don't Know What We're Doing can be trivially
- >shot down by observing that everything we do has an environmental
- >impact *anyway*, and that we have few alternatives but experiment when
- >it comes down to determining the consequences of our actions (but this
- >is no reason for not at least *considering* the consequences of our actions
- >before we take them).
-
- Basically Kevin's argument boils down to a simple belief that any affect
- which we could have on living systems, and which matters to us, is already
- known to us, -- or else is something we can't possibly hope to avoid anyway
- since everything we do has *some* impact.
-
- However, all impacts are not quantitively equal, and we are much more likely
- to cause the biosphere -- and thus potentially ourselves -- trouble by making
- big impacts than by making little ones. Sadly, however, many little impacts
- of different kinds can add up to big impacts of very general kinds -- such
- as an elevated extinction rate. The biosphere, as I said, is being nickel-and
- -dimed to death. We may not be able to say which nickel ought not be
- spent by predicting the exact consequences of spending it -- but we can
- certainly say that the *total* impact is way, way overboard: the mass
- extinction crisis we are perpetrating demonstrates that much.
-
- The idea that we already take into account every living thing that matters to
- us is not just silly because of our lack of knowledge of everything that works
- to subsidize us, it is also silly because we *don't* take into account
- free goods until they are gone or degraded and have to be substituted:
- traditional economics begins when you have to do work to receive a good,
- not when it is supplied to you by nature for free. We don't always discover
- which "nodes of the tree" we ought to have cared about until it is too late
- to do anything about it, and those leaves have been shed. Thus a laissez-faire
- approach combined with imperfect knowledge, and an inbuilt bias towards
- growth, is more or less inevitably going to lead to degradation of the
- biosphere: our children are paying the bills for our consumption, and
- our children are not represented in our markets. We are engaged in
- biotic deficit spending. And, like the Reagan spending-spree of the 80's,
- it intoxicates us with the belief that growth can go on forever. Why not,
- so long as we aren't the ones who will suffer?
-
- My suggestion is that we must limit the total extent to which we may shake
- the tree. That cannot be accomplished through market incentives
- alone. It requires, at a minimum, generational justice toward posterity,
- and savings of resources -- including the biodiversity resource -- which
- have no purpose other than justice. If justice toward posterity is on
- a long enough time scale to preserve the planet's normal evolutionary
- potential, it essentially amounts to justice toward the biosphere -- which
- is the ethic I delineated to "Conan". The longer the time scale, the more
- biodiversity we have to save at every step, and the more habitat area we
- have to reserve for it -- and the less there is for us, with all that that
- implies.
-
- I'd recommend Edward O. Wilson's new book _The Diversity of Life_ as an
- antidote to the belief that we have a complete picture of how ecosystems
- work to subsidize us. The intensity of that belief seems inversely
- proportional to knowledge of ecology and evolutionary biology.
-
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- Alan McGowen
-
- "By the faces we show each other and to the world... we force the spring."
- --Bill Clinton
-