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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Subject: Objective Environment, again - reluctantly (was Re: Temperate ...)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.174847.19299@vexcel.com>
- Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:48:47 GMT
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- In article <727850240snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
- >
- >Indeed! Now, what would explain such elusiveness? Insufficient data?
- >Or after 120 years of biologists working all over the world as *yet*
- >unable to supply proof, simply a fundamental flaw in the whole theory
- >of universality?
- >
- To me, this whole issue of an objective environment is understood by
- recognizing how little of this environment science has actually been
- able to describe. That which we can describe, such as in the basic
- laws of physics, apply everywhere we can test them. But if the
- definition of an objective environment includes the relationships
- between the various elements of the environment, as I think it must,
- then I would suggest that the extent of our current knowledge, for
- all of its gains, really is just nibbling at the edges of a true
- and thorough understanding. I think an objective scientific
- definition of cultural relationships is about as fantastical to us
- as is the technology of the most outlandish science fiction - and we
- humans are, after all, a part of this environment, are we not?
-
- A good scientist is cautious about the
- application of existing knowledge to areas where it has not been tested
- and I think most scientists in the hard sciences are. I think that
- many other scientists (researchers?) are not and it is the _arrogance
- of their application_ that annoys people so much. A good example of
- this is in the "dismal science" of economics where economists insist
- on divorcing the study of economics from the related fields of
- politics, sociology, etc. That they study this is fine. They can study
- whatever they want. That they think that their results are applicable
- in the real world is not. If real people cannot divorce these fields
- in their societal relationships, then no study that does can lay claim
- to a good understanding. The problem of indigenous development is
- not much informed by successes in particle physics or atmospheric
- chemistry and people deeply involved in this field are not likely to
- accord as much value in such advances as those intimately involved in
- them.
-
- Policies in the real world need to recognize the ignorance of humanity
- as much as the knowledge of humanity. Some people suggest that this
- ignorance be recognized as an ethic, those others believe that this
- would impede further knowledge. Yet others prefer
- an intellectual understanding of our limits of knowledge, but it seems
- to me that an intellectual understanding of ignorance is problematic
- at least. To deny the objective environment altogether may serve a
- pragmatic purpose in a world where its mis-application causes so many
- problems.
- >
- >Gil
- >
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