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- From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Why not 120 VDC ? Why invert?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.014943.1904@michael.apple.com>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 01:49:43 GMT
- References: <1993Jan23.000753.14523@michael.apple.com> <1jr751INN16a@gap.caltech.edu>
- Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California
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- In article <1jr751INN16a@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- >In article <1993Jan23.000753.14523@michael.apple.com>, ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
- >>Pondering this ... Why not just use a 120 VDC battery pack and use
- >>120 VDC for a bunch of stuff? Lightbulbs don't care if they are
- >>AC or DC,
- >
- >Well, actually, the fluorescents with transformer ballasts *DOL* care. They
- >need the AC for the transformer to work right.
-
- They are inductor ballasts rather than transformers, but that is splitting
- a hair... I'd use electronics anyway ...
-
- >Now, incandescent lamps will
- >handle DC quite well, and fluorescents with electronic ballasts want DC, I
- >think (but not necessarily 120-volt DC).
-
- The ones I dissected took 120 VAC and ran it through a bridge. They
- should work on 120 DC, since I say no voltage doubler or indications
- that the peak, as opposed to RMS voltage was used. Other brands may
- differ.
-
- >>nor do electric stoves and ovens or other resistive heat
- >>sources.
- >
- >True. However, if you care anything at all about energy efficiency, you don't
- >use resistive heat sources.
-
- Blanket statements don't always hold ... speaking of which, what
- non-resistive electric blankets are you aware of? ;-)
-
- There ARE places where resistive heat continues to make sense...
-
- >>Some tools have AC/DC motors. 120 VDC was a common motor
- >>type not too long ago, so I'd expect some motors to be available
- >>for things like house fans.
- >
- >But it doesn't work very well for driving synchronous motors.
-
- Neither my HVAC unit nor my table saw have a synchronous motor.
- Nor do my clocks, come to think of it .. wonders of the
- electronic age ...
-
- >>Yeah, I know, you shouldn't have an electric stove or oven. But
- >>the house already has one and my wife doesn't want to learn to
- >>cook on gas. (though I think it is really 220 ... more batteries...)
- >
- >Cooking with gas it a lot easier than cooking on an electric range.
-
- I think so, my wife does not. In my experience, it depends on what
- you were raised with. Most folks seem to like what they learned on.
-
- >>So why not? Why not have a 120 VDC battery bank directly running
- >>the incadecent lights, and any easy to change motors like heaters,
- >>and any suitable electronic ballast CF bulbs? Then you only need
- >>an inverter for the electronic stuff, some general purpose outlets
- >>in the kitchen and other parts of the house, and maybe the fridge.
-
- >Switching
- >to DC means you've probably got to replace your refrigerator, your vacuum
- >cleaner, your television set, your stereo....
-
- Um,the original posting stated clearly that I was looking at a mixed
- mode system. (In particular, I stated that an inverter would be
- needed for electronics, misc. electrical outlest {like for the vac}
- and the refridgerator).
-
- I'm not looking for a one-size fits all. But that may be the answer
- as to why 120 VDC isn't used. Folks seem to want exactly that, one
- size fits all. ALL inverter, or ALL 12 VDC...
-
- BTW, to all the folks who wrote the virtues of gas stoves: I LOVE GAS
- STOVES (I was raised with one)! It is my wife who wants electric...
-
-
- --
-
- E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM
-
- 'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has
- genius, power and magic in it.' - Goethe
-
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